VAR Discussion Thread

Everyone is interviewed after the game, players, managers, pundits yet the twats ruining the game are not, the press shoukd be allowed to question the referees and the ones at Stockley park and ask them why they made those decisions. Ask why a penalty wasn’t given for the holding on the West Ham players prior to the foul on Raya? They hide away and any critiscm (Rodri) and you are dragged over the coals, it’s ridiculous.
MoTD fielded Darren McCann the former linesman he said the right decsion was reached and it dint matter how long it took! He was asked by Shay Given who argued that this was typical of fouls that had occurred and resulted in goals all season why the fouls occurring before the foul on Raja weren't look at? He introduced a new word in the lexicon of VAR they weren't “significant”
 
We will never, ever have an Aguero moment in the Premier League. Ever. For any team. Whilst VAR is here.

I can accept it is a foul on the goalie. What I can't accept is the many, many identical fouls not given this season, or the fouls on West Ham players which happen before Pablo touches Raya, and so influence the play, by Trossard and Rice including on Pablo himself. Apparently they checked these for a penalty according to the commentary, but if so I think we deserve hearing why they were ruled out? Rice and Trossard both not looking to play the ball only impede the opponent, making contact and restricting their movements. Isn't that exactly what Raya got the foul for?

For every goal your team scores in the premier league, every screamer, every nice bit of skill, every tap in, every wonder save, there's a var moment which is the exact opposite of the excitement, hope and pure emotion that football should be. It is killing the game, it is that bad.

I've gone from supporting the technology, to frustration at how it is implemented, to just wanting it gone. There's nothing exciting about watching a referee be told what he is watching at a monitor and why it should influence his view on what just happened, when the person telling him that has literally re-refereed that passage of play selectively and without any real come back.

Either he gives the goal or he gives a penalty. Either referee's see it as 'play with fire and get burned' with the amount of fouls going on, or they go by the chronological letter of the law, check the first foul, and give that. Which would clearly have been either rice or trossard still holding after the corner is taken.

Peter Schmeichael of all people has actually come out and said that if they're giving fouls for that since game one, then Arsenal would be nowhere near the top of he table. And he's spot on.
VAR would have pulled that Aguero goal back for a penalty for us haha
 
The introduction of VAR has been a total fuck up. Since it's introduction to the Premier League in 2019/20 there has been far too much interference that referees now rely upon it to make basic decisions. How many tweeks to it have we seen too?

It's become a tool where's results can be manipulated and that's what it's been introduced for and it's fuckall to do with getting the 'right' decisions more regularly.

It's killed the spontaneous joy that football brings to fans but what it has done has increased 'engagement' or 'clicks' which generate cold, hard cash.

Big win for the suits behind the game and their pursuit of as much cash as possible.

This season particularly has been a total circus.
 
I have some sympathy for anyone trying to unpick all of that shit that was going on in the Arsenal penalty area, especially the on-field officials who in real-time gave an honest decision.

But it's such a shame that the operators and representatives of VAR are so spineless.

They, like we, will have seen the multiple blatant offences that were happening.

They reviewed the footage and decided that the foul on the goalie was the one that they were going with, ignoring fouls on West Ham players that were actually even more clear and far worse.

So why not give us an explanation as to why they made the decision to totally ignore Arsenal players bear-hugging their opponents? Then, whether we agree or not, we at least have a sense of the thinking and logic behind it.

This complete lack of openness and transparency just fuels the fans' sense of incompetence and/or corrupt practice within the PIGMOL organisation.
 
The BBC news has just claimed that 'fans are divided' over the use of VAR. Absolute bollocks, it's probably one of the few things fans of different clubs agree on. That and the fact that the arses are a horrible team.
 
The BBC news has just claimed that 'fans are divided' over the use of VAR. Absolute bollocks, it's probably one of the few things fans of different clubs agree on. That and the fact that the arses are a horrible team.
Never go to the BBC for information - I wouldn't trust them to tell me the day of the week.
 
MoTD fielded Darren McCann the former linesman he said the right decsion was reached and it dint matter how long it took! He was asked by Shay Given who argued that this was typical of fouls that had occurred and resulted in goals all season why the fouls occurring before the foul on Raja weren't look at? He introduced a new word in the lexicon of VAR they weren't “significant”
Is that the same as 5 cm tolerance?
 
If Var had been introduced for the 2011/2012 season:

Tyler: Manchester City still alive here....Balotelli...AGUEROOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! I SWEAR YOU'LL NEVER SEE ANYTHING LIKE THIS EVER AGAIN! SO WATCH IT, DRINK IT....

Quinn: Hold on Martin! There's a VAR check taking place!

Tyler: Mike Dean has got the call from Stockley Park and is running over to the monitor, the Etihad holds it's breath, this is a huge moment in the title race. He's watching the screen very closely... And the decision is.... NO GOAL! Balotelli's big toe was judged to be in an offside position when he played the ball, and the goal is ruled out! Absolutely devastating for the City fans and Manchester United will be Champions after all!
 
Everyone is interviewed after the game, players, managers, pundits yet the twats ruining the game are not, the press shoukd be allowed to question the referees and the ones at Stockley park and ask them why they made those decisions. Ask why a penalty wasn’t given for the holding on the West Ham players prior to the foul on Raya? They hide away and any critiscm (Rodri) and you are dragged over the coals, it’s ridiculous.

They are never interviewed because there is nothing of nobody to hide behind in those situatione.

PGMOL the faceless fuckers who control and influence the games in order to meet the requirements of their paymasters. The PL under the management of Richard Masters and Sky executives, with vested interests in certain outcomes are the genuine villains and corrupted of the game.

Paying Masters circa £2.5m per year to do their bidding ensures exactly the outcomes wanted.
 
I have no issue with VAR.

I have issues with the operators using it to manipulate outcomes and the lack of transparency along with it.

Not seen Howard Webb being questioned properly by sports journalist. Only the propaganda programme with Owen and his mate Dermot towing the party line on SkySports, with Foy doing the same in Talkshite.
The broadcasters are part of the problem. They pay the PL and the PL pay PGMOL. Broadcasters provide the images and the narrative. The SKY programme is total propaganda. There needs to be independent scrutiny, perhaps from the Regulator. The paying customers, the fans, are being manipulated and are not in the loop.
 
Absolutely this. In 'the good old days' (pre-VAR) you were offside or not. Never mind interfering with play or in a different phase of play - you were simply offside or not. Easy. The more subjectivity allows for more grey areas and differing interpretations.

This isn't really true. There's been some requirement or other to be 'interfering' to be offside since the early 1900s.

In fact when I first started playing football the off side law was totally contradictory. It stated the offside would be judged from the moment the ball was played. But also said that a player would be played onside if their was a deflection off a defender.
 
Wait for the levelling up backlash this coming weekend in the same way the shithouse on VAR for the Everton game, (Paul Howard) who didn't think the tackle on Doku was worthy of a red card, overturned not one but two, TWO! yellow cards to red cards in the Fulham v Bournemouth game 6 days later. It stinks, it's rotten, it's so fucking obvious.
 
The issue isnt VAR

The issue isnt the decision for Arsenal this weekend

The issue is inconsistency with decisions

That goal was rightfully disallowed - it was a foul on the keeper. HOWEVER what lots of commentators/pundits etc fail to talk about by getting distracted by the was it wasnt it debate and the other debate the other players holding in the incident etc is that Arsenal have been scoring goals like that all season by interfering with/fouling the goalkeeper....so why have all their goals stood and this one didnt for West Ham - Arsenal have literally built a title charge on the back of goals scored very similar to that which West Ham scored

However, playing devils advocate, you will always get inconsistencies while human beings referee...whether you believe its by design/corruption or by genuine mistake...humans are fallible and corruptible - whichever you choose it to be - this wont change....get rid of VAR and refs will still make wrong decisions...the did before VAR

The advantage to getting rid of VAR is that there is less delays to games...
 

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