VAR (PL introduction 2019)

citytilllidie said:
You can't use VAR for this. It can only be used for goals or penalties
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I thought it was only second yellow cards that could not be reviewed. Given that the premise is to right a 'clear (and obvious) error', then once it is introduced regularly, more categories will be added.

I know it's only being used at Premier League grounds in this competition, but I've yet to hear why that is the case.
 
The problem is going to be the mission creep and the debatability of decisions. The ones that are clear errors are one thing, but so many are subjective. You could mitigate that by setting a 30 second time limit for the review - longer than that and it's clearly open to question and not obvious. It only took one viewing of the Bennett tackle to know that was a red, while the Liverpool penalty took ages because although it probably was one, it wasn't totally clear cut. That it's still being debated is exactly the point.

One option has occasional use, the other has frequent use. Depends what people want.
 
The only problem with VAR is refs like Pawson , Taylor and Mason who struggle keeping up with the game , compare it to Graham Scotts performance at chelsea norwich gane and youll understand what I mean , VAR was available to Scott but he made most decisions without having to refer to VAR every time (Pawson made a mockery of it in the lpool game)
 
Gabriel said:
I thought it was only second yellow cards that could not be reviewed. Given that the premise is to right a 'clear (and obvious) error', then once it is introduced regularly, more categories will be added.

I know it's only being used at Premier League grounds in this competition, but I've yet to hear why that is the case.
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I didnt know it was only prem grounds ? in the 2nd leg of our semi with bristol the comms told us VAR wouldnt be in use as Bristol dont have the technology , so why wasnt it used at the etihad for the 1st leg ?.....It should be used at all cup games or not at all as its not a level playing field
 
Blueknows said:
The only problem with VAR is refs like Pawson , Taylor and Mason who struggle keeping up with the game , compare it to Graham Scotts performance at chelsea norwich gane and youll understand what I mean , VAR was available to Scott but he made most decisions without having to refer to VAR every time (Pawson made a mockery of it in the lpool game)
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Scott used it correctly, he refereed the game as normal and relied upon and trusted the VAR to let him know if he'd made a mistake. Pawson totally bottled it but at least the correct calls were still made.
 
Blueknows said:
I didnt know it was only prem grounds ? in the 2nd leg of our semi with bristol the comms told us VAR wouldnt be in use as Bristol dont have the technology , so why wasnt it used at the etihad for the 1st leg ?.....It should be used at all cup games or not at all as its not a level playing field
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I went looking for that and found it somewhere. It all sounds rather odd, especially as VAR must be used at Bristol when the Bristol RUFC team plays there. Similarly, the ground yesterday is also home to the Welsh national team, so, presumably, it is sufficiently equipped.

I supposed HawkEye isn't in use at all Wimbledon tennis courts either, but I agree that in this competition it is not a level playing field.Then again, we've rather come to expect that...
 
Gabriel said:
I went looking for that and found it somewhere. It all sounds rather odd, especially as VAR must be used at Bristol when the Bristol RUFC team plays there. Similarly, the ground yesterday is also home to the Welsh national team, so, presumably, it is sufficiently equipped.

I supposed HawkEye isn't in use at all Wimbledon tennis courts either, but I agree that in this competition it is not a level playing field.Then again, we've rather come to expect that...
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Surely if a game is on TV with multiple angles / replays available instantly then VAR can be used. Seems to me like it could have easily been used vs Bristol
 
the_invisible_man said:
Surely if a game is on TV with multiple angles / replays available instantly then VAR can be used. Seems to me like it could have easily been used vs Bristol
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Completely agree. However, I have been unable to see any logical explanation as to where it is used and when. Imagine we reach the quarter-finals and are drawn away against a lower division side, while the other three ties all see top teams play each other. In that scenario, VAR would presumably be used in the other three ties but not our own. It doesn't take too much imagination to take it a stage further and see us then exiting at the hands of incompetent officiating when we could have had recourse to VAR. Even if the FA decided that all 4 such ties should be officiated with VAR, then its absence in earlier rounds would still not make sense.
 
Only a few games are being played with VAR because it's in testing, it's not been formally brought in. The issue over grounds not having it is a separate question to why it wasn't used yesterday. It's not approved for use yet, it's being trialled.
 
tonea2003 said:
no mate it wouldn't but it would of stopped him carrying on fouling as he did
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No doubts about it but the attitude to tackling in this country has go to change and the refereeing standards has to drastically improve.
 
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Gabriel said:
Completely agree. However, I have been unable to see any logical explanation as to where it is used and when.
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From Henry Winter in today's Times:
"It was a poor flag by Beck, and decision by Mason, just the type that VAR was designed to prevent but it was not being trialled here as Cardiff apparently did not have enough television camera points."
 
SWP's back said:
Strange logic, it's like saying you won't tackle uninsured drivers until you have wiped out all drink driving.
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It's not though. Not remotely.

Why is VAR seemingly needed now? Because of the vast amounts of bad decisions stemming from poor officiating.

Does VAR help improve officials from making those bad calls? No. It still allows them to operate at the staggeringly low standard they're at now. So it doesn't directly deal with and problem solve the actual issue.

Again, you want VAR to be used very minimally and at the very most rarely overturn an official's decision; not dictating every passage of play. That won't happen if it's not implemented at the very least alongside other methods that directly address officials and improve them.

With the root of the issue being what it is (a steady decline from an already poor standard of officials) solely just giving them VAR at this moment in time is more akin to if you're child was a bully and a pain in the arse so the school pay for him to go on holiday for a while for momentary peace. It doesn't fix the issue and they're still going to continue to bully people.
 
they are way off the mark..... too far from the standard of Rugbys. It is not up to it yet, and should be well clear of the top game until its ready........ all prem clubs should choose who VAR personal are...... not just hire old bent rag refs.
 
Bluearmy said:
Your talking crap. It was clearly right at Liverpool
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Manchester_lalala said:
Yep.
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No it wasn't, Gareth Barry was clearly fouled before the ball arrived & it was a much bigger fould than the one for the Liverpool penalty decision.

I know this doesn't suit the 'black & white' argument regarding the incident, which everyone has taken onboard thanks to BT Sport eyc short sightedness, but I'm sorry, it's a foul.

I don't care if the celebrity refs haven't mentioned it, if one was here now & I showed him the incident, he would have to admit, 'yes it's a foul'.

Normally, referees will 'not see' those incidents, so they don't have to give a decision & get it wrong (then randomly give a pen, out of the blue when it suits them).

So goalkeepers get away with blatant fouls, even getting a free kick themselves. Same way most shirt pulls & wrestling decisions aren't given, but all are fouls, we know it, they know it.

So, we see the incident replayed, ball kicked, keeper pushes Barry in the back (pen) header Barry offside, result Liverpool, the team committing the original offence, receive a free kick.

Now people adapt that situation to fit their favoured outcome, which is that v.a.r. arrived at the correct decision.

It didn't, but the popular agenda says it did, so nobody cares.

Which is exactly what will happen, with v.ar. in football. It gives the lunatics even bigger control of the asylum.
 
Would this debate have gone on if the dippers had won?

I'm sick of hearing scousers on the radio, and at work bemoaning being ironically robbed.
 
Bluearmy said:
No u dick. It would make the whole competition fair and on a level playing field...... of course there not going to do the right thing
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Reading though this thread, I'm astonished at how someone who must surely have witnessed the way referees in general, have twisted video replays for the past god knows how many years, can be such a blindly supportive cheerleader for this, shouting down all those who have serious legitimate points against it, as if they are idiots.

You do realise that most of Fellaini's headbuts & elbows were looked at by 'neutral' people on v.a.r & it was decided there was no case to answer ? Ibrahimovic's attack on Otamendi, remember ? They looked at that. Do you remember Lukaku kicking that bloke in the bollocks a few weeks ago ? They decided that was ok.

Now let's look at City's record, Aguero Fernandinho v Chelsea for example.

I gather you are happy with those decisions ?
 
Machiavelli said:
Sane wasn’t offside. All of this “let’s just say” shit, if my Auntie had bollocks and all that.
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If there was a similar incident but he was 'a toe' offside & was 'almost' interfering with play in our opinion, but 'definitely' in a Cardiff fan's opinion, and the TV pundits were '50/50' on either side, but the v.a.r ref had decided to go with 'offside', & disallowed a beautiful goal would you be happy to see 'justice' done, or would you prefer the goal to have stood, even though it was 'arguably' offside ?

Then in the next game, Ashley Young has an almost identical situation, but the v.a.r. ref goes with 'goal'. Still happy with v.a.r. ?

Fellaini elbows someone in the head a week later, v.ar. ref goes with using his arms for leverage, but sends Fernandinho off for similar a week later. Still happy ?

All are 'correct' decisions, as they were arrived at, by v.a.r.

Or perhaps this won't happen & suddenly we will get more 50/50 decisions going our way, than Utd, Liverpool do, over a season.

Must be a good chance of that.
 
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