VAR (PL introduction 2019)

[waspish]

VAR in a manchester ctiy game will be over worked and if you think city average 3 or 4 goals a game and over 20 chances we are talking about a lot of time to be added on, people are getting me wrong about VAR i think its a good thing but will be used for the wrong things and contact is by biggest fear and players knowing a little touch and over you go and roll about, football is a contact sport and using your body and hands to defend the ball is within the rules of the game even tackling is part of the game so VAR will have to understand what a football player is like but we all know referees and officials was never football players and never played the game in pro level

You could be right let’s wait and see.

 

[Chevelle]

VAR is a shambles in Australia but that is mostly due to the idiots viewing the video. It should work like it does in other codes where a 4th or 5th official views it and doesn't rush a decision. In the A league the ref comes over and watches a tiny TV for a quick reply then still makes an impulse decision. They screw it up so much that now they are afraid to use it

 

[mat]

A bundesliga goal for Düsseldorf rightly awarded after appeal. It led to the German rags fucking up a 3-1 lead.

Another reason to embrace it.

 

[citytilllidie]

I know this may be reintroducing this thread, but with some of the VAR decisions going on this weekend, it proves, to me anyway, that the system will never be perfect.
It is now quite apparent with VAR, that there will be a massive increase in the award of penalties.
This will be down to professional footballers, feeling the hand of Mr. Spock and collapsing in a heap on the ground, with all of his cohorts, trained to scream at the ref for a penalty.
The man in Black will put left forefinger to left ear, 'could you just check that one for me Andre?', whilst simultaneously raising his right arm to point towards the penalty spot.
Andre will reply, 'Yes Anthony, that fucker Otamendi, put his hand on Lukaku's waist, not sure if enough to put the elephant down, but definite contact'!
And there we have it, VAR in all of it's glory

 

[Academica]

I know this may be reintroducing this thread, but with some of the VAR decisions going on this weekend, it proves, to me anyway, that the system will never be perfect.
It is now quite apparent with VAR, that there will be a massive increase in the award of penalties.
This will be down to professional footballers, feeling the hand of Mr. Spock and collapsing in a heap on the ground, with all of his cohorts, trained to scream at the ref for a penalty.
The man in Black will put left forefinger to left ear, 'could you just check that one for me Andre?', whilst simultaneously raising his right arm to point towards the penalty spot.
Andre will reply, 'Yes Anthony, that fucker Otamendi, put his hand on Lukaku's waist, not sure if enough to put the elephant down, but definite contact'!
And there we have it, VAR in all of it's glory

VAR is a great idea in principle and I do want it introduced in the premier, the problem is one cock makes a decision and then another cock reviews it. VAR is only as good as the referees that are using it. The penalty in the Oldham game yesterday being a perfect example, the only 2 people who saw that as a penalty were the ref who gave the initial decision and the other ref who reviewed it, it really does leave you scratching your head at times.

 

[Machiavelli]

VAR is never wrong, just the application of it - which they’ve tried fucking up since it’s inception.
They’re basically swapping a set of robust rules which they “interpret” and “apply” in some head scratching ways. For a more modern way to “interpret” and “apply” the same head scratching ways.
The problem is, and always be the twats who are controlling the rules/technology.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

VAR is never wrong, just the application of it - which they’ve tried fucking up since it’s inception.
They’re basically swapping a set of robust rules which they “interpret” and “apply” in some head scratching ways. For a more modern way to “interpret” and “apply” the same head scratching ways.
The problem is, and always be the twats who are controlling the rules/technology.

It's not only them though. A far bigger problem are the cheating, play-acting, overpaid primadonnas who fall over when blown on, claim for every throw-in, corner, goal kick and foul, irrespective of the truth of the matter. They lie on the floor feiging injury and they are doing that more and more in the hope of getting the referee or the opponents to stop play (it is becoming quite an effective tactic in stopping teams attacking). If the players and, dare I say it, the managers just had a bit more respect for the laws of the game, as well as the spirit of the game, football wouldn't find itself in the mess it is in.
Send players off for swearing, put players 'on-report', unless a red card is absolutely nailed on, and punish them retrospectively. Get rid of this yellow card is the end of the matter nonsense, and ban players for 'simulation', regardless of the outcome, with the ban doubling for every subsequent infraction.
Until football realises it has all the power it needs to clean up the sport, just constantly blaming the referee is somewhat pointless.

 

[Blumers Bloomers]

Saw the VAR decision for Fulham v Oldham yesterday ......shocking

 

[Machiavelli]

It's not only them though. A far bigger problem are the cheating, play-acting, overpaid primadonnas who fall over when blown on, claim for every throw-in, corner, goal kick and foul, irrespective of the truth of the matter. They lie on the floor feiging injury and they are doing that more and more in the hope of getting the referee or the opponents to stop play (it is becoming quite an effective tactic in stopping teams attacking). If the players and, dare I say it, the managers just had a bit more respect for the laws of the game, as well as the spirit of the game, football wouldn't find itself in the mess it is in.
Send players off for swearing, put players 'on-report', unless a red card is absolutely nailed on, and punish them retrospectively. Get rid of this yellow card is the end of the matter nonsense, and ban players for 'simulation', regardless of the outcome, with the ban doubling for every subsequent infraction.
Until football realises it has all the power it needs to clean up the sport, just constantly blaming the referee is somewhat pointless.

I agree mate, it’s worth remembering though that there are currently rules in place to eliminate simulation, the twats just don’t seem to apply the rules fairly or consistently without exception.

 

[KDBtojesus]

Just the process of it seems abit flawed. The time he takes to make a decision for one thing

 

[squirtyflower]

VAR is never wrong, just the application of it - which they’ve tried fucking up since it’s inception.
They’re basically swapping a set of robust rules which they “interpret” and “apply” in some head scratching ways. For a more modern way to “interpret” and “apply” the same head scratching ways.
The problem is, and always be the twats who are controlling the rules/technology.

It’s the interpretation, it’s always in the interpretation.

Unfortunately their interpretation changes from game to game depending on who is playing

 

[Machiavelli]

It’s the interpretation, it’s always in the interpretation.

Unfortunately their interpretation changes from game to game depending on who is playing

It’s quite telling that the average Joe can suggest ways of making the game fairer but nothing gets done by those who can actually do something about it.
Without goal line technology Liverpool’s non goal could’ve/possibly would’ve been given and the game doesn’t end in the way we all know it did. The difference with GL tech and VAR is the input (in VAR’s case) or non input (in GL tech’s case) from the officials.
GL tech makes the decision for the ref without any bias, interpretation or inconsistency allowing the technology to rule the correct outcome every single time. VAR will always require the official’s input which is where the system will be exploited and the norms of bias, interpretation and inconsistency will be alive and well.

 

[squirtyflower]

It’s quite telling that the average Joe can suggest ways of making the game fairer but nothing gets done by those who can actually do something about it.
Without goal line technology Liverpool’s non goal could’ve/possibly would’ve been given and the game doesn’t end in the way we all know it did. The difference with GL tech and VAR is the input (in VAR’s case) or non input (in GL tech’s case) from the officials.
GL tech makes the decision for the ref without any bias, interpretation or inconsistency allowing the technology to rule the correct outcome every single time. VAR will always require the official’s input which is where the system will be exploited and the norms of bias, interpretation and inconsistency will be alive and well.

However, as I pointed out to someone yesterday, if the VAR ref had to talk us through it on the big screen like in rugby then the whole interpretation of events would be shown up as a sham if they changed it from week to week.
Mind you I was called a conspiracy nutcase for my trouble.

 

[Machiavelli]

However, as I pointed out to someone yesterday, if the VAR ref had to talk us through it on the big screen like in rugby then the whole interpretation of events would be shown up as a sham if they changed it from week to week.
Mind you I was called a conspiracy nutcase for my trouble.

I’d welcome such a thing. It should be open and honest, let us hear the comms between the officials. The refs never have to face anything in terms of questioning/offering explanations. Players and managers aren’t even allowed to discuss anything regarding the officials and the poor decisions they often make.
It needs a total overhaul but it has done for years.

 

[blue by birth]

However, as I pointed out to someone yesterday, if the VAR ref had to talk us through it on the big screen like in rugby then the whole interpretation of events would be shown up as a sham if they changed it from week to week.
Mind you I was called a conspiracy nutcase for my trouble.

Yeah it should be shown on the big screens with audio transmission so we can hear what the dodgy fuckers are saying.
I doubt if they will do that because it will make it much harder to favour the rags and the dippers.

 

[blueinsa]

However, as I pointed out to someone yesterday, if the VAR ref had to talk us through it on the big screen like in rugby then the whole interpretation of events would be shown up as a sham if they changed it from week to week.
Mind you I was called a conspiracy nutcase for my trouble.

Spot on.

The crowd has to be able to hear what the officials are saying and the officials and PL if they have nothing to hide should welcome and facilitate it.

 

[squirtyflower]

@Machiavelli @blue by birth and @blueinsa
You’ve all hit the key magic ingredient, the comms.

Fans and managers should be allowed to hear what’s being said. The refs are answerable to no one which is why they think they can get away with whatever they like.

They don’t even have to face the media to discuss anything they’ve ever done after a game.

 

[blueinsa]

@Machiavelli @blue by birth and @blueinsa
You’ve all hit the key magic ingredient, the comms.

Fans and managers should be allowed to hear what’s being said. The refs are answerable to no one which is why they think they can get away with whatever they like.

They don’t even have to face the media to discuss anything they’ve ever done after a game.

You could be forgiven that they have something to hide if they dont realise that the communication of VAR decisions is the absolute key to its success.

 

[EricBrooksGhost]

You could be forgiven that they have something to hide if they dont realise that the communication of VAR decisions is the absolute key to its success.

Are people advocating transparency when it comes to important refereeing decisions; utter madness.
I won't be able launch my usual tirade of abuse at the duplicitous twats.

 

[mat]

Keith Hackett claiming PiGMOL are not using VAR as per the official rules. Very interesting thread this.