i think you should stay with the onfield decision unless its a clear and obvious error ala rugby and cricket, as far as i know on last night there isn't one directly in line view, that is what you would need to be definitive
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i think you should stay with the onfield decision unless its a clear and obvious error ala rugby and cricket, as far as i know on last night there isn't one directly in line view, that is what you would need to be definitive
i think you should stay with the onfield decision unless its a clear and obvious error ala rugby and cricket, as far as i know on last night there isn't one directly in line view, that is what you would need to be definitive
To be fair, this doesn't happen in cricket or rugby either. The moment you have a video referral, you get mission creep, with the man with the replay overruling the one in the middle and causing uproar.
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I frequently attend Munster and Ireland games and I'm fine with TMO, it's not perfect but I'd rather have it than not.Whenever VAR comes up, this gets stated, but there's a LOT of unhappiness in rugby about the TMO as it operates. The slo-mo replays making tackles look worse than they are, the going back to find something that would never normally be given to rule out a try, the time it takes to come to a decision and so on. It's only ever football fans who keep saying that it's somehow ideal, it drives a lot of rugby fans to distraction. It's not opposition to it existing, that debate has long gone, but to its implementation and use - absolutely it remains controversial.
I frequently attend Munster and Ireland games and I'm fine with TMO, it's not perfect but I'd rather have it than not.
That's why I say it's the application that causes controversy, not its existence.
By whom?
From Telegraph article :
"Despite the assistant referee initially flagging for offside, that decision was overturned by video technology and a penalty awarded based on the image below:"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal..._source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget
Now another report is claiming VAR officials did not have access to the angle that Sarri pointed to which just shows how badly this is being implemented.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...-harry-kane-goal-did-not-have-access-chelsea/
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Yeah, it's more certain referees that refuse to ref the game and overuse it.That's why I say it's the application that causes controversy, not its existence.
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VAR is causing just as much controversy as just having a ref who you can call bent down the pub after a match. Chelsea had their own version of VAR on display to prove Kane was offside.
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How is it Chelsea have that camera angle & VAR the other?
Can't be arsed reading the whole thread so apologies if it's been covered already.
Can't be arsed reading the whole thread so apologies if it's been covered already.
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One is the VAR/Broadcast camera, the other is one of their coaches with a tablet in the stand.How is it Chelsea have that camera angle & VAR the other?
Can't be arsed reading the whole thread so apologies if it's been covered already.
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Cheers mucka.One is the VAR/Broadcast camera, the other is one of their coaches with a tablet in the stand.
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The Chelsea offside angle is different time to the one used on sky. On the Chelsea one the ball has already left his foot and is off the ground.
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Yeah made this point earlier. As well as the ball, in the sky pic, Kane is side on with his right foot furthest forward. In the Chelsea one he's turned to run towards goal and his left leg is furthest forward. It's taken later. The Chelsea pic is a still from a video feed so they've manipulated the time of the shot to have an excuse. Very Liverpool.The Chelsea offside angle is different time to the one used on sky. On the Chelsea one the ball has already left his foot and is off the ground.
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Yep spot on mate. Agree that sky should have shown a side on angle but still think he was onside, just.Yeah made this point earlier. As well as the ball, in the sky pic, Kane is side on with his right foot furthest forward. In the Chelsea one he's turned to run towards goal and his left leg is furthest forward. It's taken later. The Chelsea pic is a still from a video feed so they've manipulated the time of the shot to have an excuse. Very Liverpool.
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That’s because the officials have to have the final say on VAR decisions. VAR just provides the data it doesn’t decide without input from the officials.VAR is causing just as much controversy as just having a ref who you can call bent down the pub after a match. Chelsea had their own version of VAR on display to prove Kane was offside.
Goal-line tech works perfectly as it doesn’t need or allow for the officials to overrule it.
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That’s because the officials have to have the final say on VAR decisions. VAR just provides the data it doesn’t decide without input from the officials.
Goal-line tech works perfectly as it doesn’t need or allow for the officials to overrule it.
To be honest mate the ref before VAR had the final say so nothing much has changed. Call me old fashioned but I prefer to have the discussion of uncertainty rather than no discussion based on a slide rule.
That’s because the officials have to have the final say on VAR decisions. VAR just provides the data it doesn’t decide without input from the officials.
Goal-line tech works perfectly as it doesn’t need or allow for the officials to overrule it.
Goal line tech works because it's a fixed location, and you can have cameras and tracking devices along that line - just as with line calls at Wimbledon for the same reason.
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With the sensors players are already wearing now the same should be possible with two tracking cameras on rails now for offsides.Goal line tech works because it's a fixed location, and you can have cameras and tracking devices along that line - just as with line calls at Wimbledon for the same reason.
With the sensors players are already wearing now the same should be possible with two tracking cameras on rails now for offsides.
That's a Star Trek answer I'm afraid.
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Yes I know that. The point I was making was the lack of ref input means GLT works perfectly and VAR never will because of differences in understanding, interpretation and application coming from the officials. The two main talking points this week has been the “red card” for Kompany and last night’s VAR, nobody on here has uniformly agreed both rulings were correct. This will be the same with officials, some will agree some won’t. The officials still have the final say and that’s where VAR will fail ultimately.Goal line tech works because it's a fixed location, and you can have cameras and tracking devices along that line - just as with line calls at Wimbledon for the same reason.
Yes I know that. The point I was making was the lack of ref input means GLT works perfectly and VAR never will because of differences in understanding, interpretation and application coming from the officials. The two main talking points this week has been the “red card” for Kompany and last night’s VAR, nobody on here has uniformly agreed both rulings were correct. This will be the same with officials, some will agree some won’t. The officials still have the final say and that’s where VAR will fail ultimately.
No point closing the stable door now. VAR is a reality, so all those things you're saying aren't going to matter. But I agree totally that so much of it is subjective that we're going to be exchanging one set of arguments for another - the best we can hope for is an improvement in some areas, with the understanding that things like long delays are going to be the price paid for it.