VAR thread 2022/23

[Nellies left peg]

Whilst i'll agree they are bad and have been since i've ever started watching

does there come a point where we say it's just to difficult for refs ? the speed of the game, the diving, the cheating, the crowd pressure, all decisions to be made in a split second

It really is a tough job without tech help.

Rugby union is a far more difficult game to referee with loads of technical infringements that can be committed far more discreetly than one on one tackles and obvious offside and they seem to manage and they are mic’d up so decisions are explained

 

[BlueHammer85]

Football seems to be a devilishly complicated game to officiate, referees and linesmen generally have my respect and sympathy. VAR was supposed to make their jobs easier, but I wonder what they actually think of it now?

Totally agree , so many grey marginal decisions that can never be agreed even when they check the monitor. Really don’t know the solution anymore

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Interesting to note that the current head of VAR in MLS is against broadcasting the comm's in real-time.

Howard Webb on how MLS is getting VAR right and what other leagues can learn

If there's one man to speak to about VAR, it's Howard Webb. ESPN talks to the head of referees in MLS about why it's viewed as successful.

www.espn.co.uk

 

[BlueHammer85]

Rugby union is a far more difficult game to referee with loads of technical infringements that can be committed far more discreetly than one on one tackles and obvious offside and they seem to manage and they are mic’d up so decisions are explained

Fair enough, I don’t watch or know much about the rugby league

I do know they have players that seem to respect the refs decisions and fans that can mingle, have a beer and just enjoy the game rather than going nuts at everything

 

[bluebc]

Should be brought in at all levels :

 

[mat]

Should be brought in at all levels :

He's back to ref the rags next week

 

[Nellies left peg]

Fair enough, I don’t watch or know much about the rugby league

I do know they have players that seem to respect the refs decisions and fans that can mingle, have a beer and just enjoy the game rather than going nuts at everything

I think respect is the thing that is lacking in football. Players don’t respect officials and this is probably the main reason we are not allowed to hear what goes on on the pitch as the language is worse than on the match day forum. The sooner people like rat face for the rags and people like him get booked for constant whining the sooner the game can be cleaned up.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I think respect is the thing that is lacking in football. Players don’t respect officials and this is probably the main reason we are not allowed to hear what goes on on the pitch as the language is worse than on the match day forum. The sooner people like rat face for the rags and people like him get booked for constant whining the sooner the game can be cleaned up.

That's not a VAR issue. IF the PiGMOL really wanted to deal with dissent they could easily bring it up at their next referee's meeting and compel their match officials to apply the LotG as written:

WARNING (repeated or blatant offences should result in a caution or sending-off)

• minor/low-level disagreement (by word or action) with a decision

CAUTION

• dissent by word or action including:
  • throwing/kicking drinks bottles or other objects
  • action(s) which show(s) a clear lack of respect for the match official(s) e.g.sarcastic clapping
• excessively/persistently gesturing for a red or yellow card
• excessively showing the TV signal for a VAR ‘review’
• gesturing or acting in a provocative or inflammatory manner
• persistent unacceptable behaviour (including repeated warning offences)
• showing a lack of respect for the game

SENDING OFF (Two cautionable offences, or:)

• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or action(s)

A zero tolerance approach would sort the problem right out.

 

[Nellies left peg]

That's not a VAR issue. IF the PiGMOL really wanted to deal with dissent they could easily bring it up at their next referee's meeting and compel their match officials to apply the LotG as written:

WARNING (repeated or blatant offences should result in a caution or sending-off)

• minor/low-level disagreement (by word or action) with a decision

CAUTION

• dissent by word or action including:
  • throwing/kicking drinks bottles or other objects
  • action(s) which show(s) a clear lack of respect for the match official(s) e.g.sarcastic clapping
• excessively/persistently gesturing for a red or yellow card
• excessively showing the TV signal for a VAR ‘review’
• gesturing or acting in a provocative or inflammatory manner
• persistent unacceptable behaviour (including repeated warning offences)
• showing a lack of respect for the game

SENDING OFF (Two cautionable offences, or:)

• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or action(s)

A zero tolerance approach would sort the problem right out.

It’s not a VAR issue as such but referees seem scared of the players and therefore it affects their judgement.How McTominay and Van Dyke got away without a red card this weekend shows the refs are frightened to discipline certain teams players because it will be scrutinised and the slightest chance of it being slightly harsh the will be pilloried

 

[halfcenturyup]

Rugby union is a far more difficult game to referee with loads of technical infringements that can be committed far more discreetly than one on one tackles and obvious offside and they seem to manage and they are mic’d up so decisions are explained

The thing about infringements that can be committed discretely is that no-one can see them. In football, infringements are in open field, one on one mostly. In rugby, I have no idea how anyone sees what is going on at all. People have to accept referees' decisions because there are so many discrete infringements going on, in scrums for example, and nobody can see most of them anyway. Certainly not the spectators. Or maybe I just don't get the rules as well as I do in football.