Veganism

[Damocles]

Hi Uncle John

He'll be having a Yewtree Dance Off if he posts any more of those.

What an odd fella.

 

[Damocles]

I'm equally fascinated and appalled by this man

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Even if you don't care about the cruelty aspect, animal agriculture as it is at the moment, isn't sustainable long term, the way meat is produced is very resource hungry & wasteful, it is causing massive environmental problems. People cutting down on their demand for meat is one of the best things they can do to help the environment & their own health. For people who won't cut out meat altogether, it would be much better for everyone if they could cut down their overall consumption by having meatless days or meals.

There's a lot of ignorance & untrue claims on this thread. The key bit of the definition of veganism, from the vegan society is as follows:

"A philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals".

Why do people have such as issue with people wanting to exclude cruelty as far as is possible?

If we take food as one example, there is no reason that people have to eat animal based products, you can thrive on a plant based diet. Therefore is killing a sentient being that can feel pain, distress, fear & terror, the same as we can, for a reason that is unnecessary justified? We have been conditioned to eat certain animals in our society, the animal agriculture industry is massive & they paint a picture of happy cows & chickens living a great life, when the reality if very different to this is most case. Most peope in the UK would be up in arms if someone hung their dog upside down & cut it's throat, however if it is a pig that is treated this way, it's seen as OK, just because the creature is a different species. Some of the conditions are absolutely horrific in slaughter houses and factory farming, I think a lot of hardened meat eaters would disagree with the conditions if they saw inside a slaughter house or witnessed the animals journey there in the truck, struggling to breathe as they are so crammed in. Imagine what is is like for them being herded into a slaughter house hearing the screams of the other animals & seing other chopped up creatures, knowing what their fate is. Would you want to be treated this way? If not, why is it reasonable to treat them like this, when you don't need meat to live?

Even the best kept animal on the best farm in the world is still being killed, and chopped up to provide a product, when it doesn't want to be. This goes for dairy cows when they are no longer "viable". There are so many alternatives now that it is easier than ever to reduce or give up the consumption of these products. Why not try meatless Monday as a start or challenge 22, link below for anyone interested:

https://www.challenge22.com/challenge22/

350 million years of nature which got us to the place where we can even contemplate excluding cruelty.

 

[Barcon]

I bet it's been 'proven' by a McDonald's funded study.

Dr Max Gerson's therapy has much higher success rates than any convential treatments.

Poisoning the body with Chemotherapy is not the answer you don't heal a sick body with poison.

 

[Barcon]

I'm equally fascinated and appalled by this man

Fucking tune.

 

[Juan King]

350 million years of nature which got us to the place where we can even contemplate excluding cruelty.

It's debatable if eating meat is the reason why we have developed as a species. Even if it was true, what bearing does that have on our present society and what we do in the future? Should we base our view on what society should do in the future based soley on what has been done in the past? Animal agriculture is responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions than transportation, is the leading cause of rainforest destruction, oceanic dead zones, top soil erosion etc. We may not have much of a future if we do not change what we are doing.

Also do you think we shold not contemplate cruelty just because our ancestors may not have done?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

I'm equally fascinated and appalled by this man

This thread just went from the ridiculous to the sublime, and back again......

 

[Gelsons Dad]

It's debatable if eating meat is the reason why we have developed as a species. Even if it was true, what bearing does that have on our present society and what we do in the future? Do you base your view on what society should do in the future based soley on what has been done in the past? Animal agriculture is responsible a for more greenhouse gas emissions than transportation, is the leading cause of rainforest destruction, oceanic dead zones, top soil erosion etc. We may not have much of a future if we do not change what we are doing.

Take a look at population growth and get back to me with the numbers.
There aint enough land to feed the world without meat.

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

Not sure what scares people so much about some good clean natural food.

The current western diet has lead us into the highest heart disease, diabetes & cancer rates ever known yet people still defend that diet and fall apart at the mention of whole food plant based nutrition.

The body has the ability to defend itself against all disease but if you switch those functions of with excess salt, fat & protein intake you end up sick.

It's up to the individual which way they choose to go and after spending the first 30 years of my life eating the standard western diet and the last 6 year's mainly whole food and plant based I know which one is best.

I used to be pre-diabetic gone. I used to think I had sciatica gone.I used to have a slump in energy at 3pm which I was told was normal that's gone. I used to lack motivation gone.

Everyone can choose what they want to believe there are plenty of pharmaceutical salesman out there waiting to take your money so work away.

I have proof that Vegan diets cause memory loss.

 

[blueish swede]

Hi Uncle John

Skeletor's career's gone right down the pan.