Veganism

MellowJoe said:
Some nice quotes from some notable names.

George Bernard Shaw: "Animals are my friends..and I don't eat my friends."

Thomas Edison: "Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages."

Da Vinci: "I have from an early age abjured the use of meat, and the time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look upon the murder of men."

Gandhi: "Ethically they had arrived at the conclusion that man's supremacy over lower animals meant not that the former should prey upon the latter, but that the higher should protect the lower, and that there should be mutual aid between the two as between man and man. They had also brought out the truth that man eats not for enjoyment but to live."

Benjamin Franklin: "My refusing to eat meat occasioned inconveniency, and I have been frequently chided for my singularity. But my light repast allows for greater progress, for greater clearness of head and quicker comprehension."

Charles Darwin: "There is no fundamental difference between man and the higher animals in their mental faculties . . . The lower animals, like man, manifestly feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery."

Leo Tolstoy: "A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral."

Mark Twain: "Of all the creatures, man is the most detestable. Of the entire brood, he’s the one that possesses malice. He is the only creature that inflicts pain for sport, knowing it to be pain. The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his intellectual superiority to the other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong proves his moral inferiority to any creature that cannot."
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I read the da Vinci one and now I can't take any of it seriously. Da Vinci never said that, it's from a fictional book about him.
 
kiam06 said:
Look at the conflict of interest statement.

I smell bull shit.
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No surprise that you smell bullshit.
After all it's comprehensive research carried out by recognised experts who have all contibuted to many publications that have numerous citations by other experts.
If it was written by a loon on a conspiracy website you'd believe it.
 
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CTID1988 said:
I read the da Vinci one and now I can't take any of it seriously. Da Vinci never said that, it's from a fictional book about him.
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Sensible!

But apparently Leonardo wrote this: (lifted off Wiki) "If you are as you have described yourself the king of the animals — it would be better for you to call yourself king of the beasts since you are the greatest of them all! — why do you not help them so that they may presently be able to give you their young in order to gratify your palate, for the sake of which you have tried to make yourself a tomb for all the animals? Even more I might say if to speak the entire truth were permitted me."
 
west didsblue said:
No surprise that you smell bullshit.
After all it's comprehensive research carried out by recognised experts who have all contibuted to many publications that have numerous citations by other experts.
If it was written by a loon on a conspiracy website you'd believe it.
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You keep buying it then like a good little citizen.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Couldn't agree more, my Grandad ate a full breakfast of three fried eggs and bacon, black pudding, with slabs
of bread dipped in the frying pan, drank 10 pints of mild a day, smoked 30 Capstan Full Strength, and he lived
till he was 28.
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I've started smoking 40 a day, eating black pudding & fried bread off the back of this! 28 you say?
 
TCIB said:
In that respect we are a product of our society i think. I was taught to love all animals but that we do eat some of them. I do remember my mum having to put my mind at rest about the slaughtering process, as much as it can be anyway. I did see the irony though when my mum would say 'oh you dirty swine' if she saw a food delicacy that we in the west consider a pet on tv or something. I didn't like it but accepted it and thought 'maybe they think we are weird for eating cows', based on the reverence for them in India that i knew existed.

Anyway chopper has cost me another few hundred quid in vet bills this week so i can't eat him as i could not afford a chopper steak. Like those kobe cattle, he gets good food and belly tickles galore + a bottle of peroni when he feels like it, im not rich enough to buy that kind of posh stuff. I would have to order the pigeon road kill a-la maggots :-D
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forgive my tardy reply,
been away with no internet access.

yeah, it is indeed very interesting how we struggle to shake the things we are taught as youngsters,
even though we know them to be somewhat contrary at times,
and, as you say, often based solely on what is considered the norm in one's own culture/country,
but i wasn't suggesting meat-eaters should dine on their own companions.

a pal of mine has to go to china every few months on business.
he ends up in some very remote areas.
he long since stopped asking what exactly the meat is that he is being served, haha.
he has eaten, amongst other things, dog and cat, both of which he enjoyed,
yet he loves animals and has 2 cats and a dog of his own at home.

how is chopper?
i hope he's on the mend, mate.
 
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Couldn't see this posted anywhere but I'm sure a few people have heard the story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-41012135

Basically, firefighters were called to a barn fire and rescued some pigs in the process. By way of a thank you, 6 months later the farm gave the firemen some sausages that came from the same pigs. The fire station posted their thanks on their Facebook page but the inevitable shit storm it created amongst outraged vegetarians and vegans caused them to remove the post and issue an apology for any offence caused.

It's a quirky tale for sure but I don't get how people can be so offended - it seems that if the farm had given them sausages randomly bought from a supermarket rather than those produced from the pigs saved in the fire then that wouldn't have been an issue to the complainants.
 
M18CTID said:
Couldn't see this posted anywhere but I'm sure a few people have heard the story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-41012135

Basically, firefighters were called to a barn fire and rescued some pigs in the process. By way of a thank you, 6 months later the farm gave the firemen some sausages that came from the same pigs. The fire station posted their thanks on their Facebook page but the inevitable shit storm it created amongst outraged vegetarians and vegans caused them to remove the post and issue an apology for any offence caused.

It's a quirky tale for sure but I don't get how people can be so offended - it seems that if the farm had given them sausages randomly bought from a supermarket rather than those produced from the pigs saved in the fire then that wouldn't have been an issue to the complainants.
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I noticed the story and it's mental gymnastics in overdrive, although strangely I couldn't eat an animal I know it's got to be a stranger ;)
 
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