WE cant afford to go to war

[simonk]

Well as the rest of the nation is tightening its belts nato or a little bit of nato & a big bit of Britain is bombing Libya & killing familes & kids .when will we learn .we cant even sort out problems in Ireland never mind Iraq & Afganistan .what on earth are we doing there ?

give your head a wobble, ireland is only being kept alive by the deluded fuckers who dont know what to do now killing and brutality is not on the menu.

you have the ability to say what you want about a government..... why ?

because a repressive regime is not in control of the country your posting from.

if you can give me one example of a English terrorist attack on civilians one big arse pic will grace this forum

mate - our colonial history is steeped in acts of butchery. India, Kenya, the Black and Tans in Ireland, I could go on for pages.
Not for a second do I disrespect the brave lads that are being slain in Afghanistan - in fact it saddens me every day when I hear of another death - and at the start of all this the probably was reason to go in there after Bin Laden - but 10 years and thousands of innocent lives later we are starting to ease away - leaving another nation bewildered by our military intervention. But this is nothing compared to the way we have behaved in the past - creating much of the hatred to which we are now having to deal

 

[bluemanc]

Well as the rest of the nation is tightening its belts nato or a little bit of nato & a big bit of Britain is bombing Libya & killing familes & kids .when will we learn .we cant even sort out problems in Ireland never mind Iraq & Afganistan .what on earth are we doing there ?

give your head a wobble, ireland is only being kept alive by the deluded fuckers who dont know what to do now killing and brutality is not on the menu.

you have the ability to say what you want about a government..... why ?

because a repressive regime is not in control of the country your posting from.

if you can give me one example of a English terrorist attack on civilians one big arse pic will grace this forum

mate - our colonial history is steeped in acts of butchery. India, Kenya, the Black and Tans in Ireland, I could go on for pages.
Not for a second do I disrespect the brave lads that are being slain in Afghanistan - in fact it saddens me every day when I hear of another death - and at the start of all this the probably was reason to go in there after Bin Laden - but 10 years and thousands of innocent lives later we are starting to ease away - leaving another nation bewildered by our military intervention. But this is nothing compared to the way we have behaved in the past - creating much of the hatred to which we are now having to deal

Good post but i'm not sure about that bit.

behaved in the past - creating much of the hatred to which we are now having to deal

Like who ??certainly not India & Germany & Japan aren't nations you would say hate us,if you go back long enough History isn't kind to a lot of other nations or religions for that matter.
I'm not sure that letting bin laden take care of Iraq over the invasion of Kuwait wouldn't have been the better option.
It's pretty obvious that he would have had a huge army which he would have eventually used to invade Iraq & begin Ethnic Cleansing,that would have been the time to attack & destroy him & every last one of his supporters.
Libya was never going to be subject to a quick fix & we should not have got involved.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Don't forget the Libyan gold reserves, we like them as well as the oil.....

 

[bluemanc]

Don't forget the Libyan gold reserves, we like them as well as the oil.....

gadaffi's gold reserves you mean,i like his personal bodyguard.

 

[Blue Si O.B]

the rest of us are tightening our belts?
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apparently not!

 

[mcmanus]

dont give me that bollox about them being British, ive got a bulldog born in a stable, would you back it in the 3:15 at aintree ?

Have you ever met an Iraqi Kurd, i have, and the "silly" fuckers say, we now have another word for god". he meant gearge bush, now im not a thicky but if bush helped you your in shit, you call him god...things were bad

They were English because they were born in England, raised in England, went to English schools and generally had English parents.

All that free speech, free education, free health care and benefits yet they believed more in a made up, magical fella called Allah. So much so they massacred people in England's capital.

 

[Main Stand Hotdog]

Well as the rest of the nation is tightening its belts nato or a little bit of nato & a big bit of Britain is bombing Libya & killing familes & kids .when will we learn .we cant even sort out problems in Ireland never mind Iraq & Afganistan .what on earth are we doing there ?

give your head a wobble, ireland is only being kept alive by the deluded fuckers who dont know what to do now killing and brutality is not on the menu.

you have the ability to say what you want about a government..... why ?

because a repressive regime is not in control of the country your posting from.

if you can give me one example of a English terrorist attack on civilians one big arse pic will grace this forum

Erm...http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article801659.ece

 

[pominoz]

dont give me that bollox about them being British, ive got a bulldog born in a stable, would you back it in the 3:15 at aintree ?

Have you ever met an Iraqi Kurd, i have, and the "silly" fuckers say, we now have another word for god". he meant gearge bush, now im not a thicky but if bush helped you your in shit, you call him god...things were bad

Have you any idea about what life was like for Iraqi Kurds,under that madman and his mafia like family?
If my family had of been released from that terror by Bush (who i detest) and his forces,i would hold him in high esteem,as well.

The price we are paying in Iraq,Afganistan and other places is high,but is a price we can not afford to not pay.imo.

 

[Damocles]

All that free speech, free education, free health care and benefits yet they believed more in a made up, magical fella called Allah. So much so they massacred people in England's capital.

It's no different from people who had free speech, free education, free health care and benefits yet they believed more in a made up, magical fella called God. Or the IRA. Or any number of things. Nutters are nutters, where they grew up and what they believe in is entirely secondary to their nutterdom.

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

The price we are paying in Iraq,Afganistan and other places is high,but is a price we can not afford to not pay.imo.

Whilst your sentiments about Iraqi Kurds are correct and most people with any hint of humanity would agree that it is just that they were saved from persecution, how do you manage to rank their plight higher in importance and more worthy of 'intervention' than the plight of citizens of the dozens of other repressive and nasty regimes that have harmed their own people over the last 20 or 30 years?

Why do you rank the Iraqi Kurds as worthy of intervention and not the citizens of Zimbabwe, N. Korea, Chilie, Burma, China, several African countries and many others?

Or more recently, what marks out the treatment of protesters/rebels in Libya as more worthy of intervention than that dished out to those in Bahrain or Syria (or Iran last year)? Especially considering that many of the 'rebels' in Libya were no Ghandi-esque, peaceful protest type innocents?

The reason many people find escapades like Libya to leave such a bad taste in the mouth is not because they are heartless and cynical. But because they can see that British governments consistently, and almost exclusively, regularly make their 'choices' regarding 'intervention' not on the basis of the humanitarian they cite, but something else entirely.

At a time when a government is preaching that the ordinary people of this country must suffer and seemingly find little time to find room for domestic humanitarianism, lest it clash with their political doctrine, people have every right to question their grossly expensive (I'm sure some people don't fully take in the costs of such actions when they are quoted and what else that money could fund) military actions and the motives for them.

Just as they have/had the right to question the motives and actions of the previous administration and those that went before.

Especially when all of it is contrasted with the huge amount of situations around the world that UK governments have quite happily had no interests in intervening in, despite all sorts of atrocities occurring.