We Will Be A Disgrace...

Prestwich_Blue said:
Kazzydeyna said:
So this crap manager that has no clue,and will never be good enough for City because he "hasn't won us the league" (in his first full season!!) and has ONLY turned a mid table side into a top four unit,and has ONLY taken this side to it's first major cup final for 30 years was appointed by our owners.
Usual hysterical bleating that ignores logic and cold-hard facts.

No one (and I mean no one, including the owners) expected him to win the league this season. So that doesn't class as a failure in my eyes. But most expect him to mount a serious crack at it next season and I don't see much sign that we could do that as yet.

And has he turned a mid-table team into a top four one by his genius, some judicious cheap buys and the sweat of his brow? I'd say spending over £400m on players in 2 seasons had just a little bit to do with it. Plus we're not actually top four yet but assuming that's where we're going to finish, we've had a large slice of luck that two of the teams that could have challenged us had really bad spells. Plus we're a point worse off than we were at this stage last season.

Certainly we're in a cup final at last but we needed home games in every round to do it and I'd have expected us to win all those ties anyway, whoever was manager. Villa weren't interested and we huffed and puffed against Reading. The semi-final was certainly a great game but would we have prevailed if they'd scored in that early peiod of dominance. But it did show, as did the first half at Everton, what a Mancini team CAN do at its best. But then the second half (and the whole game at Anfield) showed a Mancini team at its clueless worst.

At the end of the day, the owners have presumably set a target and we don't know what that is. My guess is that it wouldn't be less than the 70 points set for Mark Hughes but that's just a guess. It might just be top 4 however we achieve it but relying on others to slip up isn't a strategy that's going to win us the league.

You say we've been lucky as if it's a bad thing. We've had more than our fair share of unlucky managers. Hughes being a prime example.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
Usual hysterical bleating that ignores logic and cold-hard facts.

No one (and I mean no one, including the owners) expected him to win the league this season. So that doesn't class as a failure in my eyes. But most expect him to mount a serious crack at it next season and I don't see much sign that we could do that as yet.

And has he turned a mid-table team into a top four one by his genius, some judicious cheap buys and the sweat of his brow? I'd say spending over £400m on players in 2 seasons had just a little bit to do with it. Plus we're not actually top four yet but assuming that's where we're going to finish, we've had a large slice of luck that two of the teams that could have challenged us had really bad spells. Plus we're a point worse off than we were at this stage last season.

Certainly we're in a cup final at last but we needed home games in every round to do it and I'd have expected us to win all those ties anyway, whoever was manager. Villa weren't interested and we huffed and puffed against Reading. The semi-final was certainly a great game but would we have prevailed if they'd scored in that early peiod of dominance. But it did show, as did the first half at Everton, what a Mancini team CAN do at its best. But then the second half (and the whole game at Anfield) showed a Mancini team at its clueless worst.

At the end of the day, the owners have presumably set a target and we don't know what that is. My guess is that it wouldn't be less than the 70 points set for Mark Hughes but that's just a guess. It might just be top 4 however we achieve it but relying on others to slip up isn't a strategy that's going to win us the league.

You say we've been lucky as if it's a bad thing. We've had more than our fair share of unlucky managers. Hughes being a prime example.
Napleon used to say that he preferred his generals to be lucky rather than clever. But to count on luck to avoid dropping points at home to West Ham is not really where we should be.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
gordondaviesmoustache said:
You say we've been lucky as if it's a bad thing. We've had more than our fair share of unlucky managers. Hughes being a prime example.
Napleon used to say that he preferred his generals to be lucky rather than clever. But to count on luck to avoid dropping points at home to West Ham is not really where we should be.

I know. I used that quote in relation to Gordon Brown in off-topic a couple of days ago. Now you come to mention it there are striking similarities between Brown and Hughes.

Both wasted a lot of money, both were thrown out after a couple of years in the job, and both refuse to accept any blame for the problems that beset their time in power.
 
I think we are underachievers as far as league position under Mancini.

Will not be upset if he goes. Would rather have Villas Boas or Ancelotti. But if Mancini wins an FA Cup and 4th, I won't be disappointed if he stays.
 

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