Weight loss jabs

My wife is desperate to try these jabs trouble is she’s type 1 diabetic, the insulin etc has not helped her weight at all, her words not mine. Tbh she doesn’t eat right anyway but it’s like talking to a brick wall! Doubt she will ever be allowed them as it surpresses appetite that could lead to blood sugar issues.
 
Bigga said:
No, this is becoming a circular discussion.

Nobody makes anyone spend their money on shit food. that's your 'environmental' discussion sorted. 'Behavioural' and 'emotional' is something that the individual chooses or chooses not to deal with.

Let me put it this way... if you have consciously made choices to put food in your mouth thus become a bigger person and you don't like what you see in the mirror, therefore eat out of depression, that is a choice you decided on by ignoring the issue that got you there. The chippy, the fast food outlets etc., are not attached to your wallet. They are not direct debited from your account; these are choices!

If it's not a medical/ unfortunate hereditary condition, there's no reason you can't tackle the issue that drives one to do self harm.

Ironically, this what "you seem so keen to dismiss" and make it a footnote in your entire thesis.
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You're wrong, and the science backs that up. Come back when you have peer-reviewed studies to support your argument.

This research demonstrates that exerting self-control in one area can deplete a person's "willpower" resources, making them less able to resist temptations, such as unhealthy food, in subsequent situations, regardless of their mood.
Vohs, K. D., & Heatherton, T. F. (2000). Self-regulatory failure: A resource-depletion approach. Psychological Science, 11(3), 249-254.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Self-regulatory failure: a resource-depletion approach - PubMed

Three studies were conducted to test the behavioral consequences of effortful self-regulation. Individuals with chronic inhibitions about eating were exposed to situations varying in level of self-regulatory demand. Subsequently, participants' ability to self-regulate was measured. Two studies...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This study links higher consumption of ultra-processed foods to structural changes in brain regions that regulate appetite and reward, suggesting that the very design of these foods can rewire our brain to encourage more eating, independent of conscious choice.
Morys, F., et al. (2025). Ultra-processed food consumption affects structural integrity of feeding-related brain regions independent of and via adiposity. npj Metabolic Health and Disease.
https://www.psypost.org/neuroscienc...ons-that-control-eating-behavior-study-finds/ (This link provides an accessible summary of the study, which is very recent and relevant to the discussion about UPFs and brain changes.)

This research shows that after weight loss, the body experiences persistent hormonal changes (e.g., increased hunger hormones like ghrelin and decreased satiety hormones like leptin) that actively promote weight regain, making sustained weight management incredibly challenging even with conscious effort.
Sumithran, P., et al. (2011). Long-term persistence of hormonal adaptations to weight loss. The New England Journal of Medicine, 365(17), 1597-1604.
 
anyoldblu said:
You're wrong, and the science backs that up. Come back when you have peer-reviewed studies to support your argument.

This research demonstrates that exerting self-control in one area can deplete a person's "willpower" resources, making them less able to resist temptations, such as unhealthy food, in subsequent situations, regardless of their mood.
Vohs, K. D., & Heatherton, T. F. (2000). Self-regulatory failure: A resource-depletion approach. Psychological Science, 11(3), 249-254.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Self-regulatory failure: a resource-depletion approach - PubMed

Three studies were conducted to test the behavioral consequences of effortful self-regulation. Individuals with chronic inhibitions about eating were exposed to situations varying in level of self-regulatory demand. Subsequently, participants' ability to self-regulate was measured. Two studies...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This study links higher consumption of ultra-processed foods to structural changes in brain regions that regulate appetite and reward, suggesting that the very design of these foods can rewire our brain to encourage more eating, independent of conscious choice.
Morys, F., et al. (2025). Ultra-processed food consumption affects structural integrity of feeding-related brain regions independent of and via adiposity. npj Metabolic Health and Disease.
https://www.psypost.org/neuroscienc...ons-that-control-eating-behavior-study-finds/ (This link provides an accessible summary of the study, which is very recent and relevant to the discussion about UPFs and brain changes.)

This research shows that after weight loss, the body experiences persistent hormonal changes (e.g., increased hunger hormones like ghrelin and decreased satiety hormones like leptin) that actively promote weight regain, making sustained weight management incredibly challenging even with conscious effort.
Sumithran, P., et al. (2011). Long-term persistence of hormonal adaptations to weight loss. The New England Journal of Medicine, 365(17), 1597-1604.
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The chubsters are not helpless victims. They overeat, therefore they are fat. I totally acknowledge weight loss is not easy, and if the injection helps then great, but the only way you can get fat is by consuming too much.
 
domalino said:
The question you asked is kind of irrelevant because it’s based on an assumption pulled from thin air (you’ve not provided anything to back up your assertion and have no qualifications to make it).

But if you really want someone to engage then I’d guess the obvious answer is that “fixing” your psychological relationship with food doesn’t actually make you lose weight.

It’ll stop you putting on weight, but if you’ve been eating yourself to death for 10 years because of depression or trauma or because it’s how you’ve learned to deal with whatever stresses in your life, you still have to then lose the weight you’ve piled on.

Also from what I’ve seen of a couple of friends who were very early on ozempic over here, the jab itself does address these issues and that’s part of its success. I have one friend who lost about 35kg on it over 9 months last year and he’s been off it for almost as long and hasn’t put any weight back on, because 9 months not having the constant craving to eat gave broke that connection, and losing 7 stone or so means now he can go running every few days and that’s what de-stresses him the way 4 pints and a curry used to.

The other person I know on the jab lost less weight and didn’t hit the gym at the same time, but he just has so much more energy now he’s not obese and carrying around the weight of a toddler every day that he’s still losing weight just by living his life and being used to small portions.
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It's not an assumption that most of all Humans have a trauma based attachment to something negative which produces negative action. How we deal with it is the difference.

Otherwise, it's an interesting post.
 
anyoldblu said:
You're wrong, and the science backs that up. Come back when you have peer-reviewed studies to support your argument.

This research demonstrates that exerting self-control in one area can deplete a person's "willpower" resources, making them less able to resist temptations, such as unhealthy food, in subsequent situations, regardless of their mood.
Vohs, K. D., & Heatherton, T. F. (2000). Self-regulatory failure: A resource-depletion approach. Psychological Science, 11(3), 249-254.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Self-regulatory failure: a resource-depletion approach - PubMed

Three studies were conducted to test the behavioral consequences of effortful self-regulation. Individuals with chronic inhibitions about eating were exposed to situations varying in level of self-regulatory demand. Subsequently, participants' ability to self-regulate was measured. Two studies...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This study links higher consumption of ultra-processed foods to structural changes in brain regions that regulate appetite and reward, suggesting that the very design of these foods can rewire our brain to encourage more eating, independent of conscious choice.
Morys, F., et al. (2025). Ultra-processed food consumption affects structural integrity of feeding-related brain regions independent of and via adiposity. npj Metabolic Health and Disease.
https://www.psypost.org/neuroscienc...ons-that-control-eating-behavior-study-finds/ (This link provides an accessible summary of the study, which is very recent and relevant to the discussion about UPFs and brain changes.)

This research shows that after weight loss, the body experiences persistent hormonal changes (e.g., increased hunger hormones like ghrelin and decreased satiety hormones like leptin) that actively promote weight regain, making sustained weight management incredibly challenging even with conscious effort.
Sumithran, P., et al. (2011). Long-term persistence of hormonal adaptations to weight loss. The New England Journal of Medicine, 365(17), 1597-1604.
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Are you saying that once one gains weight that they cannot undo the weight? They cannot break the cycle? They cannot create new pathways in the brain?

If so, those that are successful in reversing that mindset, how have they done that?

I, literally, see scores of people on my YT timeline post their body changes over years of lifestyle changes. I mean BIG people that have had enough and fight back. Those people have, obviously, ignored your findings and have decided they want their control of life back.

Would you like me to offer snap shots as studies of determined fight up against your journals of medicine? These are people in the gym, not giving a fuck about others and I admire the fuck out of them.

With caveat, I know it's not easy and those state it took them years of right choices and hard work.
 
Bigga said:
Are you saying that once one gains weight that they cannot undo the weight? They cannot break the cycle? They cannot create new pathways in the brain?

If so, those that are successful in reversing that mindset, how have they done that?

I, literally, see scores of people on my YT timeline post their body changes over years of lifestyle changes. I mean BIG people that have had enough and fight back. Those people have, obviously, ignored your findings and have decided they want their control of life back.

Would you like me to offer snap shots as studies of determined fight up against your journals of medicine? These are people in the gym, not giving a fuck about others and I admire the fuck out of them.

With caveat, I know it's not easy and those state it took them years of right choices and hard work.
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Read the papers. You may learn something.
 
Read all the messages so far and one thing is clear, calories in calories out is absolutely an example of this jab being effective.
Since week one I could go all day on just fluids and not thinking of food and I keep myself busy including a three mile walk.
Not eating is no good so you put more though into it including flavour.
So I'm slowly learning new habits along the way and the weight is dropping off.
I've now started some weight training so again a bonus.
If anyone is looking for a new way of losing weight just give it a go.
By the way other than dry mouth no side effects whatsoever.
 
Bigga said:
So that's a no then, that you don't want to see formerly large people pushing themselves to the limit with exercise and food choices and fight for their own health and life without jabs or pills.

Okay, now we got somewhere.
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That's a disingenuous misrepresentation of my argument, which is a classic ad-hominem. My points, backed by peer-reviewed science, address the biological complexities of weight, not individual effort. If you have comparable evidence to support your position, please share it. Otherwise, this discussion is indeed going in circles, and I'm out.
 
anyoldblu said:
That's a disingenuous misrepresentation of my argument, which is a classic ad-hominem. My points, backed by peer-reviewed science, address the biological complexities of weight, not individual effort. If you have comparable evidence to support your position, please share it. Otherwise, this discussion is indeed going in circles, and I'm out.
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The problem with your argument is that "biological complexities" affect almost everyone with the introduction of chems in our bodies from hereditary to jabs in our youth to jabs to newborns with unknown factors of what those jabs do to our genetics as we grow.

So, there's your universal out for everything! OR we can choose to do the best we can do for ourselves in the short time we have on this f'kin planet!! Go shortcut or workout.

This is not for you as you don't want to see it, but this is a coincidental drop on my YT timeline:



Pretty sure there's one I saw for men on some other channel months ago. Take what you want from it or don't.

Anyway, enjoy the rest of your reasons to drop medical papers on the thread.
 
Went to retirement do on Saturday, the amount of blokes that were having these jabs because of Diabetes or waiting to have a knee or hip /back operation because they are fat fuckers was a shock, all top blokes though
 
frothy said:
Went to retirement do on Saturday, the amount of blokes that were having these jabs because of Diabetes or waiting to have a knee or hip /back operation because they are fat fuckers was a shock, all top blokes though
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Top blokes who are wise enough to see they have an opportunity to change their lives for the better, hopefully next time you see them they will not be fat fuckers and still top blokes with a better retirement to look forward to.
 
Odd socks said:
Top blokes who are wise enough to see they have an opportunity to change their lives for the better, hopefully next time you see them they will not be fat fuckers and still top blokes with a better retirement to look forward to.
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They were still knocking pints back for fun, apparently it doesn't effect their Beer consumption just food, so they were only having one Kebab on the way home
 
Bigga said:
The problem with your argument is that "biological complexities" affect almost everyone with the introduction of chems in our bodies from hereditary to jabs in our youth to jabs to newborns with unknown factors of what those jabs do to our genetics as we grow.

So, there's your universal out for everything! OR we can choose to do the best we can do for ourselves in the short time we have on this f'kin planet!! Go shortcut or workout.

This is not for you as you don't want to see it, but this is a coincidental drop on my YT timeline:



Pretty sure there's one I saw for men on some other channel months ago. Take what you want from it or don't.

Anyway, enjoy the rest of your reasons to drop medical papers on the thread.
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Interesting but it still covers the whole idea that many people give excuses for being unhealthy (Just to be clear I am no angel myself) instead of colliding with the truth head on.

This is a prime example of how the the body positivity movement has fucked up the way we see our health because instead of rectifying it these idiots tell people to just accept it.
 
weight loss jabs...

run it through the computer see if it would work?

 
mexico1970 said:
Interesting but it still covers the whole idea that many people give excuses for being unhealthy (Just to be clear I am no angel myself) instead of colliding with the truth head on.

This is a prime example of how the the body positivity movement has fucked up the way we see our health because instead of rectifying it these idiots tell people to just accept it.
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Yes, I totally agree.

Hence why I'm at odds with posters citing 'medical papers' being a legitimate reason for obesity (not some forms, obesity) and some posters will glean from that a reason not to tackle issues that are not hereditary or medical conditioning.
 
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