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Dribble said:
If you're talking about the list I posted in reply to you, all I've done is listed your arguments. Provided you with a mirror (if you like) so you can look at yourself and see what others can see. Worrying isn't it?



Yes. We have have the players, it's how and where they are deployed is what many people have an issue with. Example: On Tuesday after Silva went off it was obvious to me and everyone around me that the most logical substitution to make was Silva-> <-Sterling. I've nothing but admiration and high hopes for Kelechi, but we were doing well against one of the top three teams in the world and needed to maintain what was working, so why on God's earth Manuel decided to bring on Kelechi is beyond me and all those around me!

As I keep telling you, a good manager will play the hand he's dealt to the best of his ability, that one substitution made us worse and most fans could have made that crucial call so why couldn't Manuel? I'm sorry, but episodes like this have been all too common with Manuel and will unfortunately come to characterise his time here.



Bloody hell, where do I start with this one...... Erm Royle, Keegan, Pearce, Sven, Hughes, Mancini, Pellegrini, Guadiola? There's 8 for you.



The onus of proof is on you fella as you're the one making the 'influence' claim and from what I can see you're the ONLY one making this claim and you have NO PROOF only your opinions!!! OK let me make it very simple for you - Txiki 433 / Manuel 442/4222. Doesn't sound like a man having his strings pulled to me fella and saying we want to play attacking football doesn't constitute interference or very little in the way of interference.



OK, so in Atlantis you and Elvis still believe that in 3 years, Pellegrini has had no influence over the players we've sought and bought in his time here? Like you I have no proof, but I find it hard to believe and I'm not going to start constructing conspiracy theories that would be a stretch to believe even if the appeared on the X Files to back up my opinion. Again you're the one making the claim, so the burden of proof is on you fella as not even logic can bridge the gap between your opinion and the probable truth.



Which pub do you frequent? No offence, but I just want to know where to avoid. Actually let me know so I can send in Age Concern to rescue the 'Oldies' you're probably pushing quicker to the trap door than would normally be expected.

As for the rest of that post, again it's deja vu. It's been answered to death and you still don't get it so I'll leave you with it again as it must be time for Sheargar's night time feed.
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No worries, you've discredited everything you've said. All those managers were employed at the same time the club were in talks with their replacement? That's bullshit mate. Unless you're telling me when Thaksin employed Hughes he was already in talks with Mancini? Horse shit.

The fact that this simple thing escapes you, is perhaps why you've failed to understand my point.

My conspiracy theories? Suggesting that a director of football influences first team football matters?


Things like "Pellegrini has had no influence over the players we've sought and bought". Did I ever say that? No. And nothing to do with my point. Are you saying he's bought every single player? If you're not you agree with me.

That's the thing, if you agree that Txiki has signed or influenced the signing of just one player you are agreeing with me and agree that the director of football has indeed influenced Pellegrini.

It's fine, it's either beyond you or you're obviously lying go try make a point. These posts only highlight this.

You seem to understand the three year cycle. Yet fail to understand why Pellegrini's role is not a normal one.

Shame you're not quite as smart as your petty insults.

Go on, just for a laugh, tell us how Thaksin offered Hughes a contract whilst he was already in talks with Mancini.

Not sure how it's so hard to understand that the first manager under a new hierarchy working towards a totally different system is not in an ideal situation.

You seem to understand the cycles arguement, you've even presented it back to me. Yet you're refusing to accept that the first manager in this transitional period may not have all the freedom he'd like or is familiar with.
 
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GaudinoMotors said:
Nailed on I hear.
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suits them to be fair...elevate them to try to be top 4 with their new owner situation....alternatively if we manage win the champions league ( knock on wood) , think Everton job may be perceived as step down for him..that's how football works i think....all about results :)
 
razman said:
suits them to be fair...elevate them to try to be top 4 with their new owner situation....alternatively if we manage win the champions league ( knock on wood) , think Everton job may be perceived as step down for him..that's how football works i think....all about results :)
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One thing is certain. We will find out how good/bad he is once & for all. I hope he does great.
 
BrianW said:
In some ways it will be hugely ironic if we win the CL this year. (Not that I really expect to.)

Even better if we win it with a goal from Bony in the last ten seconds of injury time. People's heads would explode.
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I said this a few weeks ago, wouldn't it be just like City to finish 5th but win the CL final against Bayen!

Cue another 3 years of divisions, inners and outers! :-)
 
He started this season with 5 straight wins without conceding a goal, what are the odds he can finish the season with 5 straight wins and not concede a goal?
Worth a punt.....
 
mosssideblue said:
I don't think anyone doubts that pep is the better manager (speak now, or forever hold your peace), but I think in terms of trophy's, Pep will do very well to usurp Pellers in a similar time frame. Hope I'm wrong and we conquer the world, but it's a big ask.

But, I'm looking forward to seeing what unravels before our eyes next season
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Well seen as Pellegrini has one of the five set out by sorrIano three years into a five year period, pep now needs four in the next two years, he's up for that I reckon.
 
Its not right to paint pep as some kind of masaya who will change the fortunes of this club to 360 degrees, he wont find it easy here and will face tough times with english league being so different than the rest

As per pellers his critics might not make alot of his time over here but he has served the club with dignity and honor, as fans we expect our team to win league every year but to be 3rd in terms of winning ratio behind ferguson and mourinio is no mean achievement.

Mourinio is widely regarded as a better manager than pellers but if you compare mourinio second stint with pellers 3 years at the club, pellers did better than him

Moreover whether we go to the finals or not our first semi under pellers will act as a major confidence boaster for future cl exploits as it will give us the belief that we can do it at this level.

Lastly we all have a problem with media bias against city and had a pretty long agenda thread for a while but the criticism you see here easily beats down the criticism in the press
 
Citizen in Pakistan said:
Its not right to paint pep as some kind of masaya who will change the fortunes of this club to 360 degrees, he wont find it easy here and will face tough times with english league being so different than the rest

As per pellers his critics might not make alot of his time over here but he has served the club with dignity and honor, as fans we expect our team to win league every year but to be 3rd in terms of winning ratio behind ferguson and mourinio is no mean achievement.

Mourinio is widely regarded as a better manager than pellers but if you compare mourinio second stint with pellers 3 years at the club, pellers did better than him

Moreover whether we go to the finals or not our first semi under pellers will act as a major confidence boaster for future cl exploits as it will give us the belief that we can do it at this level.

Lastly we all have a problem with media bias against city and had a pretty long agenda thread for a while but the criticism you see here easily beats down the criticism in the press
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Is the masaya a type of dish. I love Pakistani & Indian food ;-)
 
aguero93:20 said:
So what makes Pep the better manager then? Winning a few league titles with Bayern and Barca? We can obviously discount his cup and CL wins as they're a lottery.
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I was not making the point that Pep is a better manager; just that winning the UCL this year would not suddenly make Pellegrini a better manager than Pep (and vice-versa btw). That however is not a case of dismissing cup wins out of hand, especially not if you stack up lots of trophies, or putting Manuel down.

Edit - put another way, winning a cup is an achievement of note but failing to win a cup competition doesn't necessarily indicate a manager has messed up.
 
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I was not making the point that Pep is a better manager; just that winning the UCL this year would not suddenly make Pellegrini a better manager than Pep (and vice-versa btw). That however is not a case of dismissing cup wins out of hand, especially not if you stack up lots of trophies, or putting Manuel down.
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Which is, of course the correct answer. It's pretty much typical City that we have great owners with a ten year plan but every time they want to change the manager something spectacular happens. Aguero moment and now, possibly, the CL. Or not.
 
schfc6 said:
No worries, you've discredited everything you've said. All those managers were employed at the same time the club were in talks with their replacement? That's bullshit mate. Unless you're telling me when Thaksin employed Hughes he was already in talks with Mancini? Horse shit.

The fact that this simple thing escapes you, is perhaps why you've failed to understand my point.

My conspiracy theories? Suggesting that a director of football influences first team football matters?


Things like "Pellegrini has had no influence over the players we've sought and bought". Did I ever say that? No. And nothing to do with my point. Are you saying he's bought every single player? If you're not you agree with me.

That's the thing, if you agree that Txiki has signed or influenced the signing of just one player you are agreeing with me and agree that the director of football has indeed influenced Pellegrini.

It's fine, it's either beyond you or you're obviously lying go try make a point. These posts only highlight this.

You seem to understand the three year cycle. Yet fail to understand why Pellegrini's role is not a normal one.

Shame you're not quite as smart as your petty insults.

Go on, just for a laugh, tell us how Thaksin offered Hughes a contract whilst he was already in talks with Mancini.

Not sure how it's so hard to understand that the first manager under a new hierarchy working towards a totally different system is not in an ideal situation.

You seem to understand the cycles arguement, you've even presented it back to me. Yet you're refusing to accept that the first manager in this transitional period may not have all the freedom he'd like or is familiar with.
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Just a quick point of correction fella, Thaksin had already sold the club when Sheikh Mansour had decided Hughes wasn't the man to take us forward. Even Mancini himself admitted that the club were in talks with him whilst Hughes was still in his post. Keegan was still in post when the club decided to employ Pearce on a caretaker basis, Thaksin had already started moves toward Hughes when Sven was still insitu. It's called forward planning or succession planning and is commonplace in corporate business and was very much the case when City started talking to Pellegrini before sacking Mancini and were in discussions with Pep whilst Pellegrini still had 18 months left on his contract.

In Atlantis, you call it horseshit though. The 'Oldies' in your pub must be losing the will to live going round and round in circles with you every time you're in.
 
Dribble said:
The 'Oldies' in your pub must be losing the will to live going round and round in circles with you every time you're in.
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I think the vast majority of us on here are doing just that seeing the pair of you say the same thing over and over again as well to be honest.

Also @schfc6
 
Nasri and Demichelis in a 2 man midfield vs a 3 man midfield that's already overrunning us? Well done boss.

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