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Shaelumstash said:
What is the guy on that he looks at how the game is panning out and he thinks "What this game needs is a bit less DeBruyne, and a bit more Bony". It's just absolutely mind boggling to me.
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Width of a crossbar away from being right too.
 
Shaelumstash said:
Mancini's record since being poor or otherwise elsewhere doesn't really hold any relevance to what he did here, mate.

He completely changed the mentality of the club. May 13th 2012 being the best example. Could you imagine this team doing that now? I know I couldn't.

Perhaps his management style of alienating players won't work in the long term. But can you think of a single player who has improved under Pellegrini's nice guy approach? Anyone who's attitude has got better?

Standards have dropped alarmingly. Defeats are accepted now without so much as a murmour.

Mancini would occasionally dig players out in the press, but it usual got a reaction and an improvement. Nasri being a prime example. He's the kind of player that gives his best when he's got something to prove. Take it easy on him and tell him he's great and he'll walk round like a superstar bell end.

We played well today, we probably should have won. But was there any City fan watching that wouldn't have made that Sterling substitution 10 minutes earlier? Walcott coming on changed the game for them. You could see their goal coming a mile off. Everyone could see it except for Pellegrini and he made the change too late.

We got back on top after DeBruyne went central, he suddenly looked interested again. We were creating chances, getting on top. And then he brought Bony on and moved DeBruyne to right wing! What on earth was he thinking?! What is the guy on that he looks at how the game is panning out and he thinks "What this game needs is a bit less DeBruyne, and a bit more Bony". It's just absolutely mind boggling to me.
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Seen it time and time again .
Still got one more game to go with him .
Could another 8-1 be on the cards at Swansea .
 
BlueKingEll said:
Yfw
Are you saying Bony's first shot to get near the goal in umpteenth games was nearly the right decision
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Yep. If it had gone in he'd be praised, it hit the crossbar so he's getting abuse. That's the way it works, result and not process unfortunately.
 
This has fuck all to do with Mancini, Mancini had to go. Only those with short memories who can't really remember how bad we were in his last season won't think that he had to go. The problem was not sacking the useless old idiot at the end of last season (possibly earlier), but we only really know that with the benefit of hindsight now

Utter bollocks to say Mancini was our Ferguson though. Or even that he should have stayed, we were absolutely right to get rid. We should have been more useless but no one could predict how diabolical a job the brwindead senile old man would do this season. He's let everyone down and not just a bit, a lot. It's criminal how badly he's done
 
aguero93:20 said:
Yep. If it had gone in he'd be praised, it hit the crossbar so he's getting abuse. That's the way it works, result and not process unfortunately.
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He would have got abuse and a taxi back to swansea if he had sat on his fat ass with his KFC untill pep told him to pick his wheel barrow of cash up and do one... I feel to see your point
 
Shaelumstash said:
I was one of the couple of thousand that stayed to applaud him. I think he's done a truly diabolical job, but he's done his best so felt he deserved some thanks.

I got my only ever Bluemoon ban on the FA Cup final day in 2013 when it was announced Mancini was leaving and Pellegrini was coming in. I was absolutely furious, rather emotional and I went too far and said some things I shouldn't have.

The reason I was so wound up was because I'd waited my whole life for City to be a good football team. We'd had good players in the past but we'd always been the nice guys, the plucky losers.

That team we had from 2010-2013 was full of class footballers. But it also had a relentless drive to win. It was full of big personalities, physically imposing players, winners. The team reflected the manager's relentless drive for perfection. As Grahame Souness said "If you want a football match, they'll out-football you, if you want a fight, they'll out-fight you."

When it was announced we were sacking Mancini I thought it was a colossal mistake. We'd come off the back of 2 brilliant seasons, and one pretty average one. The squad needed refreshing, but finishing second was no disgrace. Ridiculous clubs like Madrid and Chelsea sack managers for finishing second. And then we were added to the list.

The team's decline over the last 3 years has been alarming. I spotted signs early on and expressed them on here. Good league results papered over the cracks and I was pretty much unanimously shouted down by the majority of the board, who seemingly couldn't see any areas of concern.

The decline in the last two years has been stark. The majority view is now that he's a dreadful manager, and the two or three posters who still defend him are now on the recieving end of the shooting down. The longer he has gone on, the more his inadequacies have been highlighted.

We still have some class footballers, but the drive, the determination to win has gone. On our day we can out-football an average side, but we'll get beaten by a decent one. And we couldn't out-fight a bowl of jelly. The personality of the team reflects the personality of the manager. Dour, insipid, disinterested, nice. The plucky loser once again.

30 odd years of bad habits and losing mentality was completely reversed between 2009 and 2012. It's taken Pellegrini 3 years to completely un do that work.

Pellegrini was going to bring harmomy to the dressing room they said. Make it a happy camp. The club were taking a "holistic" approach. Well to all those who celebrated Mancini's sacking and Pellegrini's arrival, I'll say exactly the same as I said that day in 2013; be careful what you wish for.

Perhaps even I didn't think the decline would be as stark as it has been. But I knew we had a winner in charge with Mancini. Someone who would accept nothing but the highest standards. Someone that always strived for perfection, and inspired those working for him to do the same. He might not say hello to the tea lady, but he'd never accept a defeat lying down. We were lucky to have him in charge.

We sacked our Fergurson and appointed our Moyes, and we stuck with him for 3 years. I've apologised for my ouburst that day in 2013 to @Prestwich_Blue and I truly mean it. But in my defence, the reason I was so wound up and carried away that day was because I want was is best for City. We had a winner in charge, who instilled a winning mentality.

I thought the club made a momumental error that day in 2013, and the last two years have cemented that belief more than I could possibly have imagined.

Plenty of people think Mancini had to go, for various reasons. I accept that. But if any positive legacy comes from these last 3 years I hope it's that the club never again make the mistake of hiring a nice guy who takes defeat lying down.

I love it that the club want to play beautiful football, but this is England. Beautiful football is not just passing to feet. It's giving your all, refusing to accept defeat, being brave, defending heroically, winning the midfield battle, knowing you can beat anyone on any given day if you work harder and want to win more.

We must only appoint winners from now on, and we must instill a winning mentality right throughout the club.

The Pellegrini years are almost over now and I hope the club learn from their mistake and never make it again.
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Holy shit. Great post and spot on.
 
The Fat el Hombre said:
This has fuck all to do with Mancini, Mancini had to go. Only those with short memories who can't really remember how bad we were in his last season won't think that he had to go. The problem was not sacking the useless old idiot at the end of last season (possibly earlier), but we only really know that with the benefit of hindsight now

Utter bollocks to say Mancini was our Ferguson though. Or even that he should have stayed, we were absolutely right to get rid. We should have been more useless but no one could predict how diabolical a job the brwindead senile old man would do this season. He's let everyone down and not just a bit, a lot. It's criminal how badly he's done
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Correct. The problem wasn't ditching Mancini, but replacing him with Pellegrini to keep the job warm for Pep. They didn't want a younger, hungrier, more progressive coach, they wanted someone they could rely on to exit stage left when Pep became available. We're reaping what we've sowed in that respect, and time will tell whether this temporary pain will lead to long term gain. That has to be the hope.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I was one of the couple of thousand that stayed to applaud him. I think he's done a truly diabolical job, but he's done his best so felt he deserved some thanks.

I got my only ever Bluemoon ban on the FA Cup final day in 2013 when it was announced Mancini was leaving and Pellegrini was coming in. I was absolutely furious, rather emotional and I went too far and said some things I shouldn't have.

The reason I was so wound up was because I'd waited my whole life for City to be a good football team. We'd had good players in the past but we'd always been the nice guys, the plucky losers.

That team we had from 2010-2013 was full of class footballers. But it also had a relentless drive to win. It was full of big personalities, physically imposing players, winners. The team reflected the manager's relentless drive for perfection. As Grahame Souness said "If you want a football match, they'll out-football you, if you want a fight, they'll out-fight you."

When it was announced we were sacking Mancini I thought it was a colossal mistake. We'd come off the back of 2 brilliant seasons, and one pretty average one. The squad needed refreshing, but finishing second was no disgrace. Ridiculous clubs like Madrid and Chelsea sack managers for finishing second. And then we were added to the list.

The team's decline over the last 3 years has been alarming. I spotted signs early on and expressed them on here. Good league results papered over the cracks and I was pretty much unanimously shouted down by the majority of the board, who seemingly couldn't see any areas of concern.

The decline in the last two years has been stark. The majority view is now that he's a dreadful manager, and the two or three posters who still defend him are now on the recieving end of the shooting down. The longer he has gone on, the more his inadequacies have been highlighted.

We still have some class footballers, but the drive, the determination to win has gone. On our day we can out-football an average side, but we'll get beaten by a decent one. And we couldn't out-fight a bowl of jelly. The personality of the team reflects the personality of the manager. Dour, insipid, disinterested, nice. The plucky loser once again.

30 odd years of bad habits and losing mentality was completely reversed between 2009 and 2012. It's taken Pellegrini 3 years to completely un do that work.

Pellegrini was going to bring harmomy to the dressing room they said. Make it a happy camp. The club were taking a "holistic" approach. Well to all those who celebrated Mancini's sacking and Pellegrini's arrival, I'll say exactly the same as I said that day in 2013; be careful what you wish for.

Perhaps even I didn't think the decline would be as stark as it has been. But I knew we had a winner in charge with Mancini. Someone who would accept nothing but the highest standards. Someone that always strived for perfection, and inspired those working for him to do the same. He might not say hello to the tea lady, but he'd never accept a defeat lying down. We were lucky to have him in charge.

We sacked our Fergurson and appointed our Moyes, and we stuck with him for 3 years. I've apologised for my ouburst that day in 2013 to @Prestwich_Blue and I truly mean it. But in my defence, the reason I was so wound up and carried away that day was because I want was is best for City. We had a winner in charge, who instilled a winning mentality.

I thought the club made a momumental error that day in 2013, and the last two years have cemented that belief more than I could possibly have imagined.

Plenty of people think Mancini had to go, for various reasons. I accept that. But if any positive legacy comes from these last 3 years I hope it's that the club never again make the mistake of hiring a nice guy who takes defeat lying down.

I love it that the club want to play beautiful football, but this is England. Beautiful football is not just passing to feet. It's giving your all, refusing to accept defeat, being brave, defending heroically, winning the midfield battle, knowing you can beat anyone on any given day if you work harder and want to win more.

We must only appoint winners from now on, and we must instill a winning mentality right throughout the club.

The Pellegrini years are almost over now and I hope the club learn from their mistake and never make it again.
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Superb post. If I could write as eloquently I would have said exactly the same. My view and feelings entirely.
 
bluesimon said:
Lets get some facts here. Pellers spent £300m during his tenure. When we won the premiership in 2013/14, his only signing to start consistently was Fernandinho (played in 33 premiership games). MDM, Jovetic & Negredo were on permanent bench warming duty and Navas was approx half and half. So very clearly, we won the 2013/14 premiership mainly on the back of the Mancini team in terms of appearances & goals scored.
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I'm not entering any argument but just for info:

MDM played more minutes than Kompany, Nastasic or Lescott.
Negredo played more minutes than Aguero
Dinho played more minutes than Silva, Nasri or Garcia
 
Shaelumstash said:
I was one of the couple of thousand that stayed to applaud him. I think he's done a truly diabolical job, but he's done his best so felt he deserved some thanks.

I got my only ever Bluemoon ban on the FA Cup final day in 2013 when it was announced Mancini was leaving and Pellegrini was coming in. I was absolutely furious, rather emotional and I went too far and said some things I shouldn't have.

The reason I was so wound up was because I'd waited my whole life for City to be a good football team. We'd had good players in the past but we'd always been the nice guys, the plucky losers.

That team we had from 2010-2013 was full of class footballers. But it also had a relentless drive to win. It was full of big personalities, physically imposing players, winners. The team reflected the manager's relentless drive for perfection. As Grahame Souness said "If you want a football match, they'll out-football you, if you want a fight, they'll out-fight you."

When it was announced we were sacking Mancini I thought it was a colossal mistake. We'd come off the back of 2 brilliant seasons, and one pretty average one. The squad needed refreshing, but finishing second was no disgrace. Ridiculous clubs like Madrid and Chelsea sack managers for finishing second. And then we were added to the list.

The team's decline over the last 3 years has been alarming. I spotted signs early on and expressed them on here. Good league results papered over the cracks and I was pretty much unanimously shouted down by the majority of the board, who seemingly couldn't see any areas of concern.

The decline in the last two years has been stark. The majority view is now that he's a dreadful manager, and the two or three posters who still defend him are now on the recieving end of the shooting down. The longer he has gone on, the more his inadequacies have been highlighted.

We still have some class footballers, but the drive, the determination to win has gone. On our day we can out-football an average side, but we'll get beaten by a decent one. And we couldn't out-fight a bowl of jelly. The personality of the team reflects the personality of the manager. Dour, insipid, disinterested, nice. The plucky loser once again.

30 odd years of bad habits and losing mentality was completely reversed between 2009 and 2012. It's taken Pellegrini 3 years to completely un do that work.

Pellegrini was going to bring harmomy to the dressing room they said. Make it a happy camp. The club were taking a "holistic" approach. Well to all those who celebrated Mancini's sacking and Pellegrini's arrival, I'll say exactly the same as I said that day in 2013; be careful what you wish for.

Perhaps even I didn't think the decline would be as stark as it has been. But I knew we had a winner in charge with Mancini. Someone who would accept nothing but the highest standards. Someone that always strived for perfection, and inspired those working for him to do the same. He might not say hello to the tea lady, but he'd never accept a defeat lying down. We were lucky to have him in charge.

We sacked our Fergurson and appointed our Moyes, and we stuck with him for 3 years. I've apologised for my ouburst that day in 2013 to @Prestwich_Blue and I truly mean it. But in my defence, the reason I was so wound up and carried away that day was because I want was is best for City. We had a winner in charge, who instilled a winning mentality.

I thought the club made a momumental error that day in 2013, and the last two years have cemented that belief more than I could possibly have imagined.

Plenty of people think Mancini had to go, for various reasons. I accept that. But if any positive legacy comes from these last 3 years I hope it's that the club never again make the mistake of hiring a nice guy who takes defeat lying down.

I love it that the club want to play beautiful football, but this is England. Beautiful football is not just passing to feet. It's giving your all, refusing to accept defeat, being brave, defending heroically, winning the midfield battle, knowing you can beat anyone on any given day if you work harder and want to win more.

We must only appoint winners from now on, and we must instill a winning mentality right throughout the club.

The Pellegrini years are almost over now and I hope the club learn from their mistake and never make it again.
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Good post and I agree with much of what you say. I'm in the camp that thinks Roberto's position became untenable in his last season and I could only see it ending one way.

I think Pellegrini's biggest problem is his age ... and I say that as a man who is a few months older than Manuel! We've seen it with Capello, Trappatoni, Van Gaal, even Hodgson ... the methods that brought them success (and in some cases, massive success) in their heyday may not be as relevant in today's game and they find it hard to adapt. Add in the fact that they are no longer father figures but are probably older than half the squad's granddads and you can see why they may not only struggle to recapture past glories but struggle to get their message across to young men who may be the best part of a half a century younger! Ranieri has bucked the trend at Leicester ... but he was roundly written off as yesterday's man by all and sundry when he got the job. There's also a school of thought that says he has benefitted from having Steve Walsh as his number two, the guy who scouted Drogba, Essien, Zola etc at Chelsea and is now credited with unearthing Vardy and Mahrez and a few of the others. They play a 442 but with the players they have its a perfect system for them. We don't have the players to play a viable 442 and we have suffered for it ... but that's the system Manuel is comfortable with so we've been stuck with it.

Our biggest problem has been the shadow of Pep. Under any other circumstances, despite the success of his first season, Manuel would have been gone by the end of season two. But we had Pep lined up and rather than sacrifice the holistic approach, the decision was made to let Manuel tread water until Pep arrived. It looks like it has blown up in our faces.
 
Yes, eloquent post from Paul Powers above. Well written. And flawed. The mood on here towards the end of that season when City lost the Cup to Wigan was 60:40 for getting rid of Mancini. And he'd have quit after QPR, remember, if Aguero hadn't had his magical moment. Even at his very best Mancini was no Ferguson and even at his worst Pellegrini (a premiership winner, beautiful football) was no Moyes. People said after Mancini left that he had "lost the dressing room", so we'll see what if anything senior players say after Pellegrini's gone, but no one on the team is going to compare him to David bloody Moyes. I've seen some useless daft buggers managing City in my 60+ years and Manuel's not down there with them. I wish him well and hope he goes home to Chile and enjoys his golden years rather than take over at Everton or Valencia or some other mediocre outfit.
 
AliBobbyJ said:
Yes, eloquent post from Paul Powers above. Well written. And flawed. The mood on here towards the end of that season when City lost the Cup to Wigan was 60:40 for getting rid of Mancini. And he'd have quit after QPR, remember, if Aguero hadn't had his magical moment. Even at his very best Mancini was no Ferguson and even at his worst Pellegrini (a premiership winner, beautiful football) was no Moyes. People said after Mancini left that he had "lost the dressing room", so we'll see what if anything senior players say after Pellegrini's gone, but no one on the team is going to compare him to David bloody Moyes. I've seen some useless daft buggers managing City in my 60+ years and Manuel's not down there with them. I wish him well and hope he goes home to Chile and enjoys his golden years rather than take over at Everton or Valencia or some other mediocre outfit.
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Beautiful football? An absolute myth with Pellegrini.
 
stevemcgarry said:
Good post and I agree with much of what you say. I'm in the camp that thinks Roberto's position became untenable in his last season and I could only see it ending one way.

I think Pellegrini's biggest problem is his age ... and I say that as a man who is a few months older than Manuel! We've seen it with Capello, Trappatoni, Van Gaal, even Hodgson ... the methods that brought them success (and in some cases, massive success) in their heyday may not be as relevant in today's game and they find it hard to adapt. Add in the fact that they are no longer father figures but are probably older than half the squad's granddads and you can see why they may not only struggle to recapture past glories but struggle to get their message across to young men who may be the best part of a half a century younger! Ranieri has bucked the trend at Leicester ... but he was roundly written off as yesterday's man by all and sundry when he got the job. There's also a school of thought that says he has benefitted from having Steve Walsh as his number two, the guy who scouted Drogba, Essien, Zola etc at Chelsea and is now credited with unearthing Vardy and Mahrez and a few of the others. They play a 442 but with the players they have its a perfect system for them. We don't have the players to play a viable 442 and we have suffered for it ... but that's the system Manuel is comfortable with so we've been stuck with it.

Our biggest problem has been the shadow of Pep. Under any other circumstances, despite the success of his first season, Manuel would have been gone by the end of season two. But we had Pep lined up and rather than sacrifice the holistic approach, the decision was made to let Manuel tread water until Pep arrived. It looks like it has blown up in our faces.
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After a great start to the season it looked like the players had stopped listening to the manager. Zero intent or commitment to any kind of game plan.
 
I think some serious finger pointing has to be done in the direction of the players. The power of the players has contributed massively to the direction of the club in the last 3 years, and I think in particular the voices of some of the fan favourites have been the most poisonous, dare I say Kompany, dare I say Hart, dare I say Touré, though that last one is probably obvious.

Roberto had to go, simply because he wouldn't work with the system, but he had the players sussed. Pellegrini needed to drag the players under his command whilst avoiding the morale-related failings of Mancini, and has instead allowed the players to walk all over him. These same dressing room leaders knifed Mancini and it's hardly surprising that we're hearing talk of Pep either moving them on or providing them with potentially career-altering competition. Maybe he's heard more than just a few stories about how these players politic.
 
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