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jaigurugoat said:
Was he referring to the thread or the manager?
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probably the former, which is why I amended my post ;)

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Shaelumstash said:
I was one of the couple of thousand that stayed to applaud him. I think he's done a truly diabolical job, but he's done his best so felt he deserved some thanks.

I got my only ever Bluemoon ban on the FA Cup final day in 2013 when it was announced Mancini was leaving and Pellegrini was coming in. I was absolutely furious, rather emotional and I went too far and said some things I shouldn't have.

The reason I was so wound up was because I'd waited my whole life for City to be a good football team. We'd had good players in the past but we'd always been the nice guys, the plucky losers.

That team we had from 2010-2013 was full of class footballers. But it also had a relentless drive to win. It was full of big personalities, physically imposing players, winners. The team reflected the manager's relentless drive for perfection. As Grahame Souness said "If you want a football match, they'll out-football you, if you want a fight, they'll out-fight you."

When it was announced we were sacking Mancini I thought it was a colossal mistake. We'd come off the back of 2 brilliant seasons, and one pretty average one. The squad needed refreshing, but finishing second was no disgrace. Ridiculous clubs like Madrid and Chelsea sack managers for finishing second. And then we were added to the list.

The team's decline over the last 3 years has been alarming. I spotted signs early on and expressed them on here. Good league results papered over the cracks and I was pretty much unanimously shouted down by the majority of the board, who seemingly couldn't see any areas of concern.

The decline in the last two years has been stark. The majority view is now that he's a dreadful manager, and the two or three posters who still defend him are now on the recieving end of the shooting down. The longer he has gone on, the more his inadequacies have been highlighted.

We still have some class footballers, but the drive, the determination to win has gone. On our day we can out-football an average side, but we'll get beaten by a decent one. And we couldn't out-fight a bowl of jelly. The personality of the team reflects the personality of the manager. Dour, insipid, disinterested, nice. The plucky loser once again.

30 odd years of bad habits and losing mentality was completely reversed between 2009 and 2012. It's taken Pellegrini 3 years to completely un do that work.

Pellegrini was going to bring harmomy to the dressing room they said. Make it a happy camp. The club were taking a "holistic" approach. Well to all those who celebrated Mancini's sacking and Pellegrini's arrival, I'll say exactly the same as I said that day in 2013; be careful what you wish for.

Perhaps even I didn't think the decline would be as stark as it has been. But I knew we had a winner in charge with Mancini. Someone who would accept nothing but the highest standards. Someone that always strived for perfection, and inspired those working for him to do the same. He might not say hello to the tea lady, but he'd never accept a defeat lying down. We were lucky to have him in charge.

We sacked our Fergurson and appointed our Moyes, and we stuck with him for 3 years. I've apologised for my ouburst that day in 2013 to @Prestwich_Blue and I truly mean it. But in my defence, the reason I was so wound up and carried away that day was because I want was is best for City. We had a winner in charge, who instilled a winning mentality.

I thought the club made a momumental error that day in 2013, and the last two years have cemented that belief more than I could possibly have imagined.

Plenty of people think Mancini had to go, for various reasons. I accept that. But if any positive legacy comes from these last 3 years I hope it's that the club never again make the mistake of hiring a nice guy who takes defeat lying down.

I love it that the club want to play beautiful football, but this is England. Beautiful football is not just passing to feet. It's giving your all, refusing to accept defeat, being brave, defending heroically, winning the midfield battle, knowing you can beat anyone on any given day if you work harder and want to win more.

We must only appoint winners from now on, and we must instill a winning mentality right throughout the club.

The Pellegrini years are almost over now and I hope the club learn from their mistake and never make it again.
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It's very classy of you to stay behind and clap Pellegrini. Thought he had tried his best and deserved the best wishes. And he deserved a thank you for the fantastic performance in 13/14 (Here's a comparison. Ronald Koeman took over a very talented Valencia squad back in 2007 and he nearly led them to relegation).

There are a lot of things he could have done better, from tactics (e.g. organized pressing) to recruitment (despite how people said it's entirely Txiki's fault, I thought he did have some say in this) to fitness management (it's not entirely down to rotten luck or player's age, nor is it entirely down to the medical team. Most doctors have their patients' best interests at heart and are very professional about their job.) and perhaps to instilling resilience in the team. And he could be very stubborn, not only about his philosophy, but about its specifics as well, which is where many of failings, like an obsession with a specific 4-4-2 tactic, and the 60-min substitution, originate.

I was one of those who was relieved that Mancini is gone. To date I still hold fast to that belief. Whilst I would always be grateful for his recruitment, his charisma, his trophies and for instilling a belief of winning, he has run his course and served his role in City's history, where he would be rightly held as one of our most successful managers. But his CL record showed that he would not be one to take us further forward, and he has fatal flaws that cost him the dressing room. He did not get that balance right. Although he accepted nothing but the highest standards, I didn't feel this rule apply to himself. He was very demanding, but to me every leader must be the harshest on himself. He must take responsibility, acknowledge and reflect on his mistakes first before laying blame on others. Only in that way can he truly gain respect from his players and make them fight for him. This is where he had failed and we learned our first lesson.

Pellegrini at that time was probably a right call. He was much more relaxing and brought tranquility and unity back in the dressing room. And at times he did play beautiful attacking football. But at the end of the day he has some serious limitations, so he isn't one to take us forward either. We learn another lesson here.

I agree we must instill a winning mentality, but I think we should not only appoint pseudowinners who tripped on his own superiority either. We should appoint true winners who demand the most from themselves, who inspire the best out of his players, who can gracefully accept defeat but would get back to his feet stonger and better than before.
 
mancityvstoke said:
Then you showed your appreciation but the rest of us have the right as paying fans to do what the fuck we want.
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This .. Correct ..there is this one thing about this forum which needs to change ..every time we loose a match , one post will come after every 2-3 pages where the poster will act like a mature loyal fan and will start using words like deluded and plastic for other fans in the forum who are angry on certain players or the gaffer ..all such mature posters who launch a personal attack on other posters here should be banned ..we did not have a good season and this forum is a platform to vent out the anger and discuss negatives ..if everyone here writes highly of the boss and keeps saying this charming man , it will be a boring place to visit .if someone feels a poster is being too critical , point it out without launching an attack on those posters and proving that u r the cool city supporter through thick n thin ..worst thing is after every such cool post , there are five other posters who will make such guy a hero by saying oh what a post n finally some post which makes sense n what not .. Bottom line ..50k + supporters went to watch the match live n millions watched it on TV ..there will be a thousand opinions here ..if u hate the anger of posters here , visit the forum only when we win .. Stop targeting any poster who vents his anger on the gaffer or on any players ...criticising a player or manager doesn't make someone a plastic fan ..

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Walking on the blue moon said:
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I was one of those who was relieved that Mancini is gone. To date I still hold fast to that belief. Whilst I would always be grateful for his recruitment, his charisma, his trophies and for instilling a belief of winning, he has run his course and served his role in City's history, where he would be rightly held as one of our most successful managers. But his CL record showed that he would not be one to take us further forward, and he has fatal flaws that cost him the dressing room. He did not get that balance right. Although he accepted nothing but the highest standards, I didn't feel this rule apply to himself. He was very demanding, but to me every leader must be the harshest on himself. He must take responsibility, acknowledge and reflect on his mistakes first before laying blame on others. Only in that way can he truly gain respect from his players and make them fight for him. This is where he had failed and we learned our first lesson.

Pellegrini at that time was probably a right call. He was much more relaxing and brought tranquility and unity back in the dressing room. And at times he did play beautiful attacking football. But at the end of the day he has some serious limitations, so he isn't one to take us forward either. We learn another lesson here...
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The reason we were all relieved when Mancini was sacked was because he fought back beyond the point where he could win, right up until the Everton game there was a chance we could get the second title. He was cynically and disgracefully undermined and he knew it. Those on here who wailed for his end from before he was appointed are generally the same folk who have blindly backed Manuel as team perfomance deteriorated. Many are conspicuous by their absence these days.
 
mancityvstoke said:
Then don't criticize paying fans who travel, in the cold and wet mostly, attend games and voice their opinion.

Do you think we give a shit what it looks like on telly?
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Exactly. bugs me this. Two lads on FB last night saying how shit we have become as fans. One has never been to a game and one hasn't been for over 20 years. How shit are they then? Neither are skint, they just choose not to go.....choice!!!

Same on here people living all over the place who don't go, don't give up their time to spend hours following the club, turn their telly or computers on and then moan about fans leaving.
 
Walking on the blue moon said:
It's very classy of you to stay behind and clap Pellegrini. Thought he had tried his best and deserved the best wishes. And he deserved a thank you for the fantastic performance in 13/14 (Here's a comparison. Ronald Koeman took over a very talented Valencia squad back in 2007 and he nearly led them to relegation).

There are a lot of things he could have done better, from tactics (e.g. organized pressing) to recruitment (despite how people said it's entirely Txiki's fault, I thought he did have some say in this) to fitness management (it's not entirely down to rotten luck or player's age, nor is it entirely down to the medical team. Most doctors have their patients' best interests at heart and are very professional about their job.) and perhaps to instilling resilience in the team. And he could be very stubborn, not only about his philosophy, but about its specifics as well, which is where many of failings, like an obsession with a specific 4-4-2 tactic, and the 60-min substitution, originate.

I was one of those who was relieved that Mancini is gone. To date I still hold fast to that belief. Whilst I would always be grateful for his recruitment, his charisma, his trophies and for instilling a belief of winning, he has run his course and served his role in City's history, where he would be rightly held as one of our most successful managers. But his CL record showed that he would not be one to take us further forward, and he has fatal flaws that cost him the dressing room. He did not get that balance right. Although he accepted nothing but the highest standards, I didn't feel this rule apply to himself. He was very demanding, but to me every leader must be the harshest on himself. He must take responsibility, acknowledge and reflect on his mistakes first before laying blame on others. Only in that way can he truly gain respect from his players and make them fight for him. This is where he had failed and we learned our first lesson.

Pellegrini at that time was probably a right call. He was much more relaxing and brought tranquility and unity back in the dressing room. And at times he did play beautiful attacking football. But at the end of the day he has some serious limitations, so he isn't one to take us forward either. We learn another lesson here.

I agree we must instill a winning mentality, but I think we should not only appoint pseudowinners who tripped on his own superiority either. We should appoint true winners who demand the most from themselves, who inspire the best out of his players, who can gracefully accept defeat but would get back to his feet stonger and better than before.
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That kind of balance won't find favour amongst this morning's hysteria.
 
mcfc1632 said:
It was the last game of the season and traditionally fans stay behind to cheer the team. Also the under-18s were being presented with their trophy and that was worthy of respect being showed.

I guess that it is a by-product of how CITY fans are developing - unless we have won the league it is a failure so fuck the club.

Each to their own opinion - mine is that our fan base is getting a little 'over-entitled' in their attitudes
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Nonsense. It has nothing to do with not winning the league. It has to do with the many gutless performances turned in by the players and clueless 'formations and tactics' from the manager, together with the seeming acceptance of those poor performances. If the players had put in the same effort all season as they showed yesterday, I'm sure the vast majority would have stayed to show their appreciation.

I don't believed City fans are over-entitled or developing as you put it. We are the same as we've always been. I recall plenty of times dissatisfaction with the board/manager/players was shown far more vocally than this bunch have had to deal with.
 
Citizen in Pakistan said:
This, when history books will be written about 10 to 20 years from now, it wont be forgotten that second most successful manager in city's history at the time gave his final speech to bunch of empty seats, hats of to the fans who stayed till the end for pellers final speech and applauded the manger and players for their efforts
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Efforts?
 
As a season card holder I (like thousands of others) have every right to leave at the final whistle yesterday. I support my team through thick and thin like I have for many years. What I simply can not accept is the lack of hunger from these players to represent the club I love.

So before you criticise, (from your armchair in Taiwan) for many paying fans it wasn't a case of not giving Pell the send if he deserved. It was a case of ''why should I applaud what have been dire, inspirid performances from a team of highly paid individuals whom many have given up caring about playing for this club''.

Thank you Pell for what you have done for this club. Other than player harmony I personally don't think you have improved our team since you inherited Mancini's core. Like Soriano says managers have cycles and I for one am glad this current cycle is ending and another one beginning with a manager who simply will not accept anything less than hard work.
 
mcfc1632 said:
I think that we embarrassed the club and ourselves as fans yesterday.
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Flying planes over the ground and displaying placards calling for the manager's head during games is embarrassing.

I think that this season we've found our voice as fans over things like ticket prices, being pissed about by UEFA and the general lack of effort that's gone into preparing for games and playing them.

I think that our actions yesterday by walking out showed the suits that we aren't prepared to tolerate and reward mediocrity.

Respect has to be earned and I don't believe the executives, manager and players have shown enough to us, the paying customers. So the outcome was a mass walkout.
 
i hope it now gives them a little kick up the ass and they realise they havent done enough this season, i didnt want to pander to their already inflated egos anymore. They are paid huge sums of money to perform for 90 mins. We are not paid huge sums of money BUT spend huge sums of money and use lots of family time every single week to watch them. We are there whatever the weather and however they perform. But they didnt deserve anymore of my time yesterday. I was back in the pub at 6:15 !!

oh and no customers come and clap me away from work at the end of of the working year !!
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Flying planes over the ground and displaying placards calling for the manager's head during games is embarrassing.

I think that this season we've found our voice as fans over things like ticket prices, being pissed about by UEFA and the general lack of effort that's gone into preparing for games and playing them.

I think that our actions yesterday by walking out showed the suits that we aren't prepared to tolerate and reward mediocrity.

Respect has to be earned and I don't believe the executives, manager and players have shown enough to us, the paying customers. So the outcome was a mass walkout.
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Take the manager situation out of it and I would completely agree with all of that.

Yesterday was about showing a bit of humility for me and yes, many dont like him and yes, most are happy he is going, especially knowing who his replacement is but he still won a league and cup double, another league cup this season and has progressed the side in Europe.

That said, its tomorrows chip paper and will quickly be forgotten.
 
When he came in we had a very good squad of players and over the three years he's added £238m to that squad. Yet we've gone from being title winners and a team continually looking to win the title seasons before and after he came to going backwards to the point of being in the position we were in Mancini's first season - aiming to finish fourth. A total regression!
We've got 15 points from 45 against the top ten of the league this season (flat track bullies who haven't have the tactics or work ethic or fitness to beat the better teams) and we even drew away at the bottom three sides and were utter dross in those games.

We've lost 16 home games in his reign (17 in the five years previous to that and we had a much worse team in the early part of those five years) and lost 10 league games this season. This, for a team who should be aiming to be unbeatable at home and be losing between 5 and 0 league games a season. Yes, the middle of the Prem has improved but the top has got incredibly worse! With United disappearing from the top of the league in Pellegrini's time here, Chelsea sacking managers left right and centre and Arsenal being Arsenal, with none of them three teams having anywhere near the quality of their best teams in the PL era (United 1999 or 2008, Chelsea 2005 and Arsenal 2004) or any team remotely near as good as any of those sides anywhere to be seen at the top of this league we would never have a bigger opportunity to cement ourselves as a proper top Premier League team - and we didn't grab that opportunity. We, in fact, threw the opportunity to become a true elite team and club away as limply as you could imagine. We are now pinning our hopes on the sixth placed team to beat the fifth placed team to save our season.

We may well have got to the CL Semis this season but we had the second easiest group we've ever had (Plzen Moscow and Bayern was probably the easiest) and we managed to lose home and away to the only decent team in the group (flat track bullies again), got the easiest possible draw in the Ro16 in getting Kyiv who hadn't played for months and managed to avoid the big four (Barca Madrid Bayern Atléti) when got got, yes, a draw we had to do well to progress from against Paris, and we did...but then as soon as we faced one of the big four we went out and i'm not sure if we had more than four shots in 180minutes and they were all from pretty much outside the box, we didn't actually fashion a proper goalscoring opportunity in their box in two whole games and didn't give it a proper go in the last ten minutes of the second leg when we had nothing to lose. So even though it was good to get to the Semis, i'm just disappointed in how we did, not impressed we got to our first Semi-final.

We went out to Championship opposition at home twice in the FA Cup and threw our game in the competition this season and moaned about the timing of the game against Chelsea when we actually had exactly the same time between games at other stages of the season before CL games.

We won the league in 2013-14. We played well for much of the season but were, at times, a shambles defensively without Kompany and struggled to beat certain types of teams who press and play with high intensity and who knows what would have happened had Gerrard not slipped. But to score 102 goals was a great achievement and in about a quarter of our games we were absolutely fantastic and showed a good attitude in the run-in!

We were brilliant in the FL Cup twice in his three years. The final against Sunderland was a brilliant second half and the penalty shoot-out against Liverpool was fantastic!

Overall, while he won three trophies (which in any other era would make him a legend of the club), i'm glad to see him go. We've gone backwards and played boring football for the most part of this season and most of all underachieved. When you see your SC price increase year-on-year way past the rate of inflation but see the football go worse despite spunking millions on the squad, there won't be many people happy with that.

Thanks for the good times Manuel but you should have gone a year ago and i cannot wait for Guardiola to step through the door!
 
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BillyShears said:
The hysteria prevalent across Bluemoon and across social media in general. All a bit depressing really. Anyone would think we've been relegated. I genuinely think one or two feel like we've been relegated.
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I am not big on social media so have missed that. Mostly here it seems to have been about whether or not the fans should have stayed behind after the final whistle and in the main seems to have been a reasonable debate without too much hysteria.

I think many are just disappointed that we haven't played anywhere close to our full potential for much of the season. If we had shown as much application throughout the season as we did yesterday against Arsenal, I feel certain that we wouldn't be in the position of having to hope other teams mess up in order to be able to get top 4.
 
I have stayed behind every season for 40 years except this one, and never leave the game before the end.

When we were rubbish I accepted it as that's the way it was.

I actually think the board and this manager should send out a written apology for the dross served up after spending 200 mill and paying players 200k a week. Yet I read this morning that Peller's actually thinks he has improved this team.

The stats totally rebuke this stupid statement - 7 points against top 8 teams only one win against Southampton at home - This tells me what I have thought for 18 months, the manager hasn't got a clue, he puts the team out and hopes they win which we are capable of against bottom half teams. Sverage PPG when he took over around 2.2 now it's 1.75 ish.

The performance against RM summed us up, we actually played ok for most of the two legs , but when it was absolutely necessary we couldn't give that extra bit.

The board should have let Yaya go after cake gate.

My only regret not staying behind was giving Zab and Yaya ( even though shit this season) the send off they deserved.
 
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