You can totally see the impact training every day with the first team has had on him. He's getting stronger every day. He's the kind of little lad that'll find a way to hold off a 6'3 bruiser just because of his sheer desire. When you've got that much talent and that much drive you're worth a go...
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You can totally see the impact training every day with the first team has had on him. He's getting stronger every day. He's the kind of little lad that'll find a way to hold off a 6'3 bruiser just because of his sheer desire. When you've got that much talent and that much drive you're worth a go...
Didsbury Dave
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No they are not.
We have had loads of players who were good enough to play & indeed still have: Ambrose, Maffeo, both Garcias, etc etc etc.
Good enough to become regulars ? Maybe not. Good enough to have played ? Loads of them.
I've been hearing for years about hundreds of players "we should be giving X a run in the team " but I haven't seen one player who we have not got involved who has subsequently left us and become a player at the level we are now at. There might be some out there but I haven't seen them. It's only these few coming through now who look good enough, and you can see with your own eyes that the slow but steady integration is working like a dream. Maffeo Iooks a player to me but if he comes back from his loan and becomes a part of the first team squad then that approach has worked as well.
Remember as well that managers have also to keep squad players happy and motivated in case they are suddenly thrust into the fray by a long-term injury, Like Delph was.
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I've been hearing for years about hundreds of players "we should be giving X a run in the team " but I haven't seen one player who we have not got involved who has subsequently left us and become a player at the level we are now at. There might be some out there but I haven't seen them. It's only these few coming through now who look good enough, and you can see with your own eyes that the slow but steady integration is working like a dream. Maffeo Iooks a player to me but if he comes back from his loan and becomes a part of the first team squad then that approach has worked as well.
Remember as well that managers have also to keep squad players happy and motivated in case they are suddenly thrust into the fray by a long-term injury, Like Delph was.
The level we are at is something never seen in English football and barely seen in World Football. When we were scrapping over 4th in the league under Pelle and still playing Bony and Yaya the conversation was a little different. I'm glad Pep brought Diaz on even at only 2-0 and he didn't disappoint.
MillionMilesAway
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I think that's why Fernandinho may have left one on Krychowiak, after he clattered Aguero early on. Some disgusting tackles from West Brom though showing no regard for City players' safety.
Ah, I'd wondered whether anything had provoked Fernandinho.
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I've just made that point re Pep, 'managing' in another thread. Mancini would be sulking because we didn't get Sanchez & he (& Pellegrini) would have signed Theo Walcott or some other C lister to make up the numbers.
Pellegrini was just minding the office till Pep got here while Mancini kicked off because he was being given C listers like Rodwell and Sinclair when he knew full well the team needed quality, as for playing Boyata early, we didn`t have a fit central defender if I remember correctly, he played him at old tragic as well and he was our motm.
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I've been hearing for years about hundreds of players "we should be giving X a run in the team " but I haven't seen one player who we have not got involved who has subsequently left us and become a player at the level we are now at. There might be some out there but I haven't seen them. It's only these few coming through now who look good enough, and you can see with your own eyes that the slow but steady integration is working like a dream. Maffeo Iooks a player to me but if he comes back from his loan and becomes a part of the first team squad then that approach has worked as well.
Remember as well that managers have also to keep squad players happy and motivated in case they are suddenly thrust into the fray by a long-term injury, Like Delph was.
Players not making it at other clubs, is the excuse for a shit academy system & timid jobsworth managers, throughout the Premier League.
Ours has been no different. Predicting a player's future as an axcuse not to give him ten minutes on the pitch, is just a sad excuse, as is the complete bollocks hat it 'harms' the team.
Delph is a good example of someone of medium talent, who is playing a key role in what could be the best side ever to play in this country. It's unlikely he would have shone, if he'd been in City's U18s.
Now we have a proper manager, I am optimistic things will change.
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What! The kid?Game little fucker, looked coked up to me.
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I was saying to Mrs S, if that challenge on Brahim happened on a Sunday league match it would have ended in a mass brawl. It was that bad. In the Premier League it was absolutely disgusting. Fair play to the boy for shrugging it off.But nothing will come of it because he was booked. If it was one of our team, it would be on Sly Sports loop until they were banned. It’s only a matter of time before we have a career ending injury due to the ineptitude of the officials. It’s a contact sport, but there’s no place for dirty assaults like these.
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Players not making it at other clubs, is the excuse for a shit academy system & timid jobsworth managers, throughout the Premier League.
Ours has been no different. Predicting a player's future as an axcuse not to give him ten minutes on the pitch, is just a sad excuse, as is the complete bollocks hat it 'harms' the team.
Delph is a good example of someone of medium talent, who is playing a key role in what could be the best side ever to play in this country. It's unlikely he would have shone, if he'd been in City's U18s.
Now we have a proper manager, I am optimistic things will change.
Well I'm delighted with the way we are handling the kids, and I'm delighted that we finally have some who are good enough. The problem with our Academy in my opinion has not been a reluctance to involve players, it has been a lack of players good enough to involve. The only way anyone can make an argument that we aren't doing it right is if a player goes on and makes it at a club of our level.
Well I'm delighted with the way we are handling the kids, and I'm delighted that we finally have some who are good enough. The problem with our Academy in my opinion has not been a reluctance to involve players, it has been a lack of players good enough to involve. The only way anyone can make an argument that we aren't doing it right is if a player goes on and makes it at a club of our level.
Zinchenko couldn't get a game last season for PSV. Now he's playing here. Not a person at the CFA could've predicted that. He wasn't even meant to be here either - we just couldn't find him a loan in the summer. It's not always about talent, it's about opportunity and circumstance too. Zinchenko isn't any more talented than Maffeo, the Garcias, Ambrose and co. He's just got his chance and thankfully he's taking it. I'd wager a fair bit that if some previously around had had a similar bit of fortune they'd be still here doing just as well.
just another win and run of the mill game
its how far have manchester city come is clear to see not in the scorelines or the 15 points clear in the premier league but the tac tic's now being use to stop us. its clear GBH by the others. send out the chopper and cut down the likes of KDB and sane silva walker sterling your going to be ok the officials are turning a blind eye and hiding behind the so called rule its (the engish game) ???
in all the years of the premier league and united walking all over the others in the premier league never would you see tackles like we have see this season on manchester city players. and never in a million years would the media and officials come out and say its the english game fergie would have hung them out to dry if anybody tackled any of players like city have had to put up with this season its is GBH
so its clear they don't want manchester city top of the tree and winning the lot and re-writing the history books and when you see bobby madley turn up in manchester city games he is under orders from the top to get under the skin of this manchester city team and manager. last night was the straw that broke the camel back 2 of the worst tackles ever seen in the premier league was just waved away a yellow card in knowing that nothing can be done. bobby madley knows the rules inside out he covered his back with them 2 yellows
the tackle on diaz was shocking you feel sick seeing it its GBH the young lad is so so lucky he is not in hospital this morning also the kung foo tackle on KDB was again clear the players know they can get away with it why else do something like that. ok he (only) clipped KDB this time but its intent to hurt a player and a red card
the only thing is thank god the crazy gang Wimbledon are not in the premier league and playing manchester city its would be like watching the film kill bill and quentin tarantino the commemorator
its how far have manchester city come is clear to see not in the scorelines or the 15 points clear in the premier league but the tac tic's now being use to stop us. its clear GBH by the others. send out the chopper and cut down the likes of KDB and sane silva walker sterling your going to be ok the officials are turning a blind eye and hiding behind the so called rule its (the engish game) ???
in all the years of the premier league and united walking all over the others in the premier league never would you see tackles like we have see this season on manchester city players. and never in a million years would the media and officials come out and say its the english game fergie would have hung them out to dry if anybody tackled any of players like city have had to put up with this season its is GBH
so its clear they don't want manchester city top of the tree and winning the lot and re-writing the history books and when you see bobby madley turn up in manchester city games he is under orders from the top to get under the skin of this manchester city team and manager. last night was the straw that broke the camel back 2 of the worst tackles ever seen in the premier league was just waved away a yellow card in knowing that nothing can be done. bobby madley knows the rules inside out he covered his back with them 2 yellows
the tackle on diaz was shocking you feel sick seeing it its GBH the young lad is so so lucky he is not in hospital this morning also the kung foo tackle on KDB was again clear the players know they can get away with it why else do something like that. ok he (only) clipped KDB this time but its intent to hurt a player and a red card
the only thing is thank god the crazy gang Wimbledon are not in the premier league and playing manchester city its would be like watching the film kill bill and quentin tarantino the commemorator
Neville Kneville
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Pellegrini was just minding the office till Pep got here while Mancini kicked off because he was being given C listers like Rodwell and Sinclair when he knew full well the team needed quality, as for playing Boyata early, we didn`t have a fit central defender if I remember correctly, he played him at old tragic as well and he was our motm.
He chose to play Boyata. Then he dropped him, for ages, then stuck him back in, away from home in a European game, then dropped him for ages, then stuck him back in, at Old Trafford in a league cup semi final.
He wasn't 'given them', he chose to waste our money on them, when he couldn't get his difficult targets, rather than do what Pep is doing, keep the money & look to spend it on quality.
If he or Pellegrini were in charge now, we would have two more players this window. And a lot less money for the summer.
We showed last night, how there is a lot more to come from some of the players already here.
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Well I'm delighted with the way we are handling the kids, and I'm delighted that we finally have some who are good enough. The problem with our Academy in my opinion has not been a reluctance to involve players, it has been a lack of players good enough to involve. The only way anyone can make an argument that we aren't doing it right is if a player goes on and makes it at a club of our level.
Well then the academy has been shit.
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I've been hearing for years about hundreds of players "we should be giving X a run in the team " but I haven't seen one player who we have not got involved who has subsequently left us and become a player at the level we are now at
Trippier and Ben Mee were both released by that dogs bastard hughes, both shone in our youth team and for my money I would have resigned Tripier over Walker while Ben Mee is the kind of clever player (And a natural leader) who could have fit into a Pep team with ease.
It makes far more sense to bring players up to a level where they go out on loan and get game time,
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I wouldn't say "shit", because it's made us money from player sales and the crop coming through now have obviously been nurtured for years. But it's taken a while to start bearing fruit, now it is doing and we are really seeing the benefits this season.Well then the academy has been shit.
Neville Kneville
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Zinchenko couldn't get a game last season for PSV. Now he's playing here. Not a person at the CFA could've predicted that. He wasn't even meant to be here either - we just couldn't find him a loan in the summer. It's not always about talent, it's about opportunity and circumstance too. Zinchenko isn't any more talented than Maffeo, the Garcias, Ambrose and co. He's just got his chance and thankfully he's taking it. I'd wager a fair bit that if some previously around had had a similar bit of fortune they'd be still here doing just as well.
And Pep mentioned again last night, that Zinchenko is a No 10, playing out of position, & he was also happy to play Foden, as a 'wingback' !
We know we have seen plenty of players who could have played games for City & this is just proving it.
If only Pep had arrived a few years earlier.
malg
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He'll have tougher games, but when someone is questioning an incoming foreign player's abilities, it's normally this type of game they talk about. We'll see how he gets on v Burnley, as they won't be sitting back.Good win yesterday and Laporte looks a player albeit he was rarely tested.
just another win and run of the mill game
its how far have manchester city come is clear to see not in the scorelines or the 15 points clear in the premier league but the tac tic's now being use to stop us. its clear GBH by the others. send out the chopper and cut down the likes of KDB and sane silva walker sterling your going to be ok the officials are turning a blind eye and hiding behind the so called rule its (the engish game) ???
in all the years of the premier league and united walking all over the others in the premier league never would you see tackles like we have see this season on manchester city players. and never in a million years would the media and officials come out and say its the english game fergie would have hung them out to dry if anybody tackled any of players like city have had to put up with this season its is GBH
so its clear they don't want manchester city top of the tree and winning the lot and re-writing the history books and when you see bobby madley turn up in manchester city games he is under orders from the top to get under the skin of this manchester city team and manager. last night was the straw that broke the camel back 2 of the worst tackles ever seen in the premier league was just waved away a yellow card in know that nothing can be done. bobby madley knows the rules inside out he covered his back with them 2 yellows
the tackle on diaz was shocking you feel sick seeing it its GBH the young lad is so so lucky he is not in hospital this morning also the kung foo tackle on KDB was again clear the players know they can get away with it why else do something like that. ok he (only) clipped KDB this time but its intent to hurt a player and a red card
the only thing is thank god the crazy gang Wimbledon are not in the premier league and playing manchester city its would be like watching the film kill bill and quentin tarantino the commemorator
Yes its pre meditated, it will all come out some day. Too many involved for someone not to let the cat out of the bag.