West Ham post game....

[Dax777]

For fucks sake, this place is taken over by moaners of the same ilk as tarquins or smug entitled scum rags.

Any plans for a plane over the Etihad on Wednesday?

Hear hear.

 

[Hesh]

Slaven Bilic ; "I've never seen a Premier League team as dangerous as City. If they do win the title it will be a good thing"

Strange comment if it refers to yesterday's game. Not so strange if it refers to the home game earlier this season.

 

[jollylescott]

Hear hear.

No offence old chap but your omnipresence on the forum bears a striking resemblance to PellnotPep, or even .A.
Not a distant cousin by any chance? Perhaps a drinking companion down at the local watering hole ;-)

 

[halfcenturyup]

Yeah I remember that...and the follow up tune 'It will all get sorted when we buy players who can fit into Peller's system'. That's gone well.

Another classic was when we were winning the league with Mancini and the great and the good on here decided it wasn't enough to win, we had to be winning playing attractive football "in the right way". That was a crock of shit then, and it is now. I wonder what happened to that mantra?

For what it's worth, my feeling is that the players haven't "stopped playing" for Pellegrini, in the same way they didn't stop playing for Mancini. They aren't mentally weak. They are professional athletes playing a team game and they are demotivated. They were demotivated by the impact on them of the Mancini/Soriano/Begiristain power struggle three years ago, and they are demotivated now. By what? Anyone can have an opinion on that. Whatever it is, though, it is up to Pellegrini to put it right. That, in the immortal words is "his fucking job".

 

[Dax777]

No offence old chap but your omnipresence on the forum bears a striking resemblance to PellnotPep, or even .A.
Not a distant cousin by any chance? Perhaps a drinking companion down at the local watering hole ;-)

Snow day. No, I have never met the Pep character.

 

[Dribble]

First: you made a comment that "Mancini achieved more with less" which is completely false based on their comparative results. As a City fan you must know that (if you don't, we should end the discussion right here). Therefore, your preference for Mancini is down to something other than facts.

Second: Mancini focused on making us very hard to beat, at the cost of offensive weapons. By midway through our second season, teams had figured us out. We played pass the ball with no width and teams simply packed the centre of the field and closed us down. Resulting in an exceedingly ordinary Man Utd team running away with the title.

Third: Whether we had a better defensive record is completely irrelevant. Results are what counts. Unless of course you prefer a goalless draw to a 3-2 win.

You see, there you go again with your preconceived rubbish. Where have I said I have a preference for Mancini? When I said Mancini achieved more with less I was specifically talking about our defence, but again you skew off at a tangent which leads me to believe this whole exchange is about your dislike of Mancini. I get it, you don't like the man, so why don't you just start a thread about that instead of colouring this one?

Football is equally about attack as it is about defence so balance is the keyword. In Mancini's second full season there were other things at play behind the scenes as we're constantly reminded which had an effect on events on and off the pitch. Even so Mancini tried to change our approach by playing with three at the back which worked less often than it did, but it showed he took the opposition into account and tried something different to unlock the massed ranks we were facing in every match.

And yes we agree that results ultimately count, but looking at the strength of our squad can you honestly say we are currently adding up to the sum of our parts?

 

[Mike N]

For fucks sake, this place is taken over by moaners of the same ilk as tarquins or smug entitled scum rags.

Any plans for a plane over the Etihad on Wednesday?

Too right! The slapped arses do my head in. Spoilt City fans; who'd have thought we'd ever get to this?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

For fucks sake, this place is taken over by moaners of the same ilk as tarquins or smug entitled scum rags.

Any plans for a plane over the Etihad on Wednesday?

Actually it's been an interesting debate with some great contributions.

 

[Silva_Spell]

First: you made a comment that "Mancini achieved more with less" which is completely false based on their comparative results. As a City fan you must know that (if you don't, we should end the discussion right here). Therefore, your preference for Mancini is down to something other than facts.

Second: Mancini focused on making us very hard to beat, at the cost of offensive weapons. By midway through our second season, teams had figured us out. We played pass the ball with no width and teams simply packed the centre of the field and closed us down. Resulting in an exceedingly ordinary Man Utd team running away with the title.

Third: Whether we had a better defensive record is completely irrelevant. Results are what counts. Unless of course you prefer a goalless draw to a 3-2 win.

MP has Mancini's squad with 250m invested on top (and Mancini's players are still our most important)
Give Mancini that 250m and we'd be miles better than we are right now.

This year we're not even on course to better Mancini's last season (when he got zero investment whilst Utd signed the PL's top goalscorer - this season we've spent the most in the PL whilst bottlers Arsenal have basically had zero investment). Ferguson would have had this league wrapped up already too - Leicester are top ffs!

Mancini is a superior coach to MP. He was only sacked because he's extremely demanding and uncooperative off the field.

 

[cleavers]

Actually it's been an interesting debate with some great contributions.

It was until the Mancini v Pellegrini debate took it over a couple of pages ago.

Wtf Mancini is still being discussed at all is beyond me, he's long gone, and won't be returning.