What has happened to Bluemoonrising tv?

twosips said:
Ha yeah, they ripped me off big time there tbh. Massively so. Literally killing any chance I have of doing that regularly. I'd argue mine are better, but I can't really compete with their size.
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Out of interest is it Adam who now works for CityTV? The VLOG is nothing to do with him is it?
 
Thanks for the explanation Twosips, real shame, and surprised it didn't generate enough interest to justify it. Do you know what the breakeven point would have been to justify the investment. Blues have now missed out. Classic case of use it or lose it. Will deffo follow your own channel.
 
Blue Mooner said:
Thanks for the explanation Twosips, real shame, and surprised it didn't generate enough interest to justify it. Do you know what the breakeven point would have been to justify the investment. Blues have now missed out. Classic case of use it or lose it. Will deffo follow your own channel.
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As in for Shotglass? God knows, but they were operating at a huge loss. Youtube makes very little money. I've had over a million views on my own personal channel and probably made a few hundred quid in ad sense in 8/9 months. That's it really. Nowt. Now imagine trying to sustain studio costs, tickets, equipment and two full time employees? You'd be looking at 250k views per video and nearly a million subscribers. Given BMRTV only got to 40k in 3 years and averaged about 10k a video....well yeah.

Clercqs said:
I guess its Paul Walsh.
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Yep. Paul's great. Genuinely one of the nicest blokes i've had the pleasure working alongside. A great friend of mine now. Adam was the one who left to work for City which lead to me joining BMRTV, taking his vacant spot.
 
Thought BMRTV was great when it was running but obviously as you mentioned @twosips was really out of your hands when they discontinued it. Still watch your videos when you post them so don't think fans aren't still interested. This side of the pond we don't get the same kind of coverage other than games and ESPNFC (which as you can guess cover City the least of the top six) so I watch any content I can. Cheers for doing what you do when you can.
 
twosips said:
I worked for them - I'm Steven. Curly haired bearded one. Aka EsteemedKompany on twitter/youtube. It's basically ended. Kind of. Not really. Unofficially. It'll still have videos after home games, but it'll be that stripped back for some time now I think unless the funding comes back. Its entirely a funding situation and nowt else. It's a long story so I'll have to explain the background:

The channel is part of The Football Republic. A network of channels set up by Shotglass media who are a small production company inside of Fremantle Media. A very big production company.

The channels involved were the United one (full time devils), Chelsea one (Chelsea fan tv), Spurs one (spurred on), a Barca one and a Real Madrid one. Plus The Football Republic, a generic one. All the channels were run by huge fans and hired for that reason. Same reason I was hired. If I'm being honest I totally stumbled into it cos I wrote blogs that were quite popular and cos I was relatively comfortable in front of camera.

I couldn't believe my luck that someone was willing to pay me full-time to create and produce content/videos/social media stuff all day about football. Landed on my feet tbh and I absolutely loved it. I only worked there from March 16 till Jan 17 but it was probably the best job I've ever had. Sadly though, cos of the way things work when there's a big corporation involved, there were growth targets. The bigwigs above Shotglass media decided to cut most of the funding and restructure it due to not hitting the growth they wanted. This effectively meant the end of the Spurs, Real Madrid and Barca channels full stop. The City (BMRTV) and Chelsea (Chelsea Fan TV) ones were meant to keep going in a stripped basis but the chelsea presenters basically pulled the channel to pieces live in one vide, said they'd all been sacked live on air and it died almost immediately over night. Interesting.

Us at BMRTV had a little more maturity and we tried to keep it going. Effectively though, the two of us running it full time (myself and my mate who now works for city tv - the rest were just contributors) were let go. Naturally we weren't going to then do work for free for a big company who had previously paid us - who would? I don't have any ownership of it all and would be basically working for a massive company for nowt. Hence why I set up my own channel.

There is still a tiny, tiny bit of funding going and I think they're still paying a little to one of the lads to hopefully keep it going this season, starting after the everton game. The good thing about being owned by a big company was that they always made sure that any regular contributors got paid, which I think was fair, but the flipside of that was then the second the money ended most of us all just disappeared and pursued our own interests. I think that's entirely fair enough. No one works for free for the same people who used to pay you as its very time consuming and fremantle can afford to pay people, they just dont want to anymore.

Weirdly, if it was the other way around I'd have had no problem working for free. I.e - if i'd started off working for free without any previous preconceptions of it being a job, id not have been arsed, and any money after that would have been a bonus. As it is, now it'd feel like a massive demotion. I definitely missed making videos though and made my own channel and I don't regret it tbh. It's incredibly fun and it's nice to be able to do videos when I want whenever I want.

So long story short: it was entirely a business decision that went above the heads of the lads who presented it. None of us had any say at all really in the future of it. Shame as we're all massive blues...but that's the downside of it all. We can't 'buy' it off them either as some have suggested - they wont sell as its a valuable marketing/sales asset for Shotglass media to be able to say 'we've got a city channel with 40k subs and 100k page likes on FB' sadly! Business hey...its a twat.

The honest truth of it is that BMRTV struggled to grow despite the quality (and im biased) of the videos. We had a really hardcore fanbase and engaged audience (sorry, was my job to know that) but we simply didnt have the numbers. The United channel does so it still exists and has funding. It's got 300k subs. They're big. Arsenal have a bigger fanbase too, and also the comedy factor of other fans watching it cos their fans are aboslutely mental, and Liverpool's Red Men TV channel have a big audience too. More fans....I really hate to hammer home a stereotype here, but we're just smaller. You can see where the views come from, and we're so, so localised compared to those other clubs. We don't have the huge overseas support....yet. So the channel couldn't keep going in the same model that it was. If it wasnt financed it could but if you're gonna live by the sword..m etc

For me though, working on my own, it's great. I make a tiny bit of money of it, which is nice, but most importantly I can do whatever I want when I want for no costs really apart from a couple of hours a night here and there. Fan channels are ultimately a weird one, but I'd not change last year for anything personally. Paul, Elliot, Walter and Alex are genuinely fucking top blokes and it was great making videos alongside them. There is a small chance it could get back to where it was, but it may take some time. Fingers crossed it gets there as i really value youtube and its a great place for unsanitised stuff. The channel changed my life too and i made some great friends so i hope it does get back. Fingers crossed.

If no one can be arsed reading all that, and id suggest doing so cos its clearer, this video i made on my channel explains it a little simpler.

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problem was too many city fans moaned about it, instead of getting involved and slagged people off being interviewed. Instead of subscribing and giving constructive feedback. I did loads of videos and got paid a few times and really enjoyed doing it. Its a shame its gone as its the only way fans can have their own views aired without club censorship
 
mekonmcfc said:
problem was too many city fans moaned about it, instead of getting involved and slagged people off being interviewed. Instead of subscribing and giving constructive feedback. I did loads of videos and got paid a few times and really enjoyed doing it. Its a shame its gone as its the only way fans can have their own views aired without club censorship
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oh really? whats your name man?
 
arsenal fan tv Amd Red Devil tv only work because they put their most fervent nut case fans in front of the camera who, on cue,spout a load of comical shite. THat comedy is what sends their videos viral and gets them million + subscribers. BM tv never saw that and the people they had on were as dull as dishwater. Who really wants to listen to the ethihad equivalent ofJohn mAjor dissect one of our games? Not me and not many others.
 
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