What has the UK become under the far right influence?

[Vic]

Not sure which thread to put this in

NHS could cease to function under Labour’s new visa rules, say nurses

Exclusive: Royal College of Nursing says plan to tighten rules for foreign workers is ‘pandering’ to Reform UK

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I have to say it should go in the Labour government thread. With the proposed added difficulty of getting Leave to Remain, it may indeed discourage immigration, but even if higher wages managed to attract native Brits to the work (NHS and care industry) the extra costs will make some settings unviable, and the extra costs will fall on local councils.

International recruitment of care workers has ended, the impact may be disastrous | Work Rights Centre

www.workrightscentre.org

Pandering to the right will cost us all.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Aren't around 70% of those whose cases have been heard acceepted as genuine asylum seeker. So yes.This isn't difficult spend money,treat them humanely as we deal with the cases,hear their stories and deal with them as individuals, instead of some blanket everyone the same assumption.

Genuine? They didn't appeal for asylum at the first safe country.
They tramped all across Europe living under the stars to get to the channel then risked their lives to get to the UK for their free lunch: A hotel room free food and benefits courtesy of UK tax payers.
A fucking fortune that should be being spent elsewhere on deserving causes: Poverty, the Health Services, Education etc, etc.
Why not a tent in a field somewhere? It's better than what they're used to?
Not only that but a small minority of those who arrive treat British girls as though they are prostitutes who always say yes.
Local communities where this happens are angry and NOBODY in power is listening.
Enough is enough.
No fucking wonder people are flocking to Farage and Reform. Not me by the way (he's a Charleton). But non of the traditional parties are fucking listening to the cconcerns of their electorate.
I despair I really do.

 

[moomba]

Genuine? They didn't appeal for asylum at the first safe country.

That has nothing to do with whether an asylum claim is genuine or not. In fact the government tried to argue that recently and got sent packing.

Wouldn't say that providing basic food and shelter to a human being is particular undeserving either. But if were going to call for improvements to things like poverty, NHS, education etc there are much bigger drains on public funds than immigration.

Are you equally as outraged about that? And if not, why not?

 

[BlueAnorak]

That has nothing to do with whether an asylum claim is genuine or not. In fact the government tried to argue that recently and got sent packing.

Wouldn't say that providing basic food and shelter to a human being is particular undeserving either. But if were going to call for improvements to things like poverty, NHS, education etc there are much bigger drains on public funds than immigration.

Are you equally as outraged about that? And if not, why not?

Sure but...
You just can't do it in the current numbers.
It is simply unaffordable and unabasorbable without ripping communities apart.
A country can cope when it's 10s a week. Not many hundreds and on occasions thousands.
And I say again. The communities where they arrive have simply had enough.
No one is listening.
They will turn to someone who will.
Deal with it or face the consequences.

 

[moomba]

Sure but...
You just can't do it in the current numbers.
It is simply unaffordable and unabasorbable without ripping communities apart.
A country can cope when it's 10s a week. Not many hundreds and on occasions thousands.
And I say again. The communities where they arrive have simply had enough.
No one is listening.
They will turn to someone who will.

I dont know if no-one is listening, most of the major parties seem to be in a race to see who can be the toughest, nastiest and least accomodating on immigration.

For me it's a great shame, and I think the country is worse for the existence of that mindset.

I guess for some it's not enough. But I'm not what action some are expecting governments to have taken and whether it's realistic or not.

As for being unaffordable I cant agree. Money spent on illegal immigration is a pittance, it's only the usual suspects manufacturing outrage that has given people that impression imo.

Unabsorbable, I dont think so. But we probably wont agree on that.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I dont know if no-one is listening, most of the major parties seem to be in a race to see who can be the toughest, nastiest and least accomodating on immigration.

For me it's a great shame, and I think the country is worse for the existence of that mindset.

I guess for some it's not enough. But I'm not what action some are expecting governments to have taken and whether it's realistic or not.

As for being unaffordable I cant agree. Money spent on illegal immigration is a pittance, it's only the usual suspects manufacturing outrage that has given people that impression imo.

Unabsorbable, I dont think so. But we probably wont agree on that.

It’s time to start wanting lives to be better, rather than making the people more desperate worse off.

 

[meltonblue]

Sure but...
You just can't do it in the current numbers.
It is simply unaffordable and unabasorbable without ripping communities apart.
A country can cope when it's 10s a week. Not many hundreds and on occasions thousands.
And I say again. The communities where they arrive have simply had enough.
No one is listening.
They will turn to someone who will.
Deal with it or face the consequences.

Not all communities. I’ve got a hotel housing asylum seekers two miles down the road from me and the main noise has been from the parish council wanting to fundraise to donate to them. That is the main issue, be it perceived or not, for a lot of people now though, I agree.

Our cost of processing applications is way too high, I don’t think anyone would disagree with that. It’s clearly not unaffordable though, that’s a choice and could be done with larger numbers from an affordability perspective, just look at other countries and their cost of application compared to us.

We need to process claims quicker and deport when claims fail quicker too (and in an ideal world have safer routes to apply).

 

[Vic]

Genuine? They didn't appeal for asylum at the first safe country.
They tramped all across Europe living under the stars to get to the channel then risked their lives to get to the UK for their free lunch: A hotel room free food and benefits courtesy of UK tax payers.
A fucking fortune that should be being spent elsewhere on deserving causes: Poverty, the Health Services, Education etc, etc.
Why not a tent in a field somewhere? It's better than what they're used to?
Not only that but a small minority of those who arrive treat British girls as though they are prostitutes who always say yes.
Local communities where this happens are angry and NOBODY in power is listening.
Enough is enough.
No fucking wonder people are flocking to Farage and Reform. Not me by the way (he's a Charleton). But non of the traditional parties are fucking listening to the cconcerns of their electorate.
I despair I really do.

Would you think they should apply for asylum in the first safe country they came to if you lived in one of those countries?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Genuine? They didn't appeal for asylum at the first safe country.
They tramped all across Europe living under the stars to get to the channel then risked their lives to get to the UK for their free lunch: A hotel room free food and benefits courtesy of UK tax payers.
A fucking fortune that should be being spent elsewhere on deserving causes: Poverty, the Health Services, Education etc, etc.
Why not a tent in a field somewhere? It's better than what they're used to?
Not only that but a small minority of those who arrive treat British girls as though they are prostitutes who always say yes.
Local communities where this happens are angry and NOBODY in power is listening.
Enough is enough.
No fucking wonder people are flocking to Farage and Reform. Not me by the way (he's a Charleton). But non of the traditional parties are fucking listening to the cconcerns of their electorate.
I despair I really do.

I'll try and unpack this for you BlueAnorak

1) Genuine? They didn't appeal for asylum at the first safe country. -

They don't have to (although the majority do) Under the UN Refugee Convention they have the right to choose the country in which to apply

2) They tramped all across Europe living under the stars to get to the channel then risked their lives to get to the UK for their free lunch: A hotel room free food and benefits courtesy of UK tax payers.-

They did tramp across Europe to get here and when they do they get put up in low grade accommodation (have you stayed in a Britannia hotel? ) Usually 4 or 5 to a room in bunk beds. If they get fed they are given an allowance of £8 / £9 a week. If they are not fed this rises to £48 a week. This is loaded onto a prepayment card called ASPEN and can only be used at certain outlets. Out of this money they are expected to feed themselves, buy toiletries ,clothing and travel to any asylum hearing.

They receive no other benefits.

3) A fucking fortune that should be being spent elsewhere on deserving causes: Poverty, the Health Services, Education etc, etc.

The cost of asylum accommodation is met out of the Overseas Aid budget ... this is a sum which has been committed to by the Government. Any reduction in asylum costs would not impact on the overall Overseas Aid Budget....which is an International commitment.

4) Why not a tent in a field somewhere? It's better than what they're used to?

This is what they do in Ireland due to a housing shortage. Now people are complaining about ''Tent Cities''
The problem with this is that there is a fundamental issue of a lack of sanitation , cooking facilities and safety around the pitching of tents in any kind of location

5) Not only that but a small minority of those who arrive treat British girls as though they are prostitutes who always say yes.

I understand your concern with this point, however would point out that the majority of grooming and rapes in the UK are committed by the indigenous population.

6) Local communities where this happens are angry and NOBODY in power is listening.

People are listening... the difficulty that the Labour party has is the huge backlog of asylum applications created by the last Government. (119000) When Labour left power there were !8600 outstanding applications.... the backlog was created by the Tories sacking over 5000 case workers out of a total of 8000. This caused the huge backlog now being faced and why they are in housed in hotels.

This figure has now reduced to 70532 (June 2025 figures) however if you include applications for their dependents this figure rises to 90812.

A total of 9100 have been forcibly deported

7) No fucking wonder people are flocking to Farage and Reform.

They are , but its because they don't understand the problem properly and the fact that we are signed up to the UN Refugee Convention 1951 which means that people who are being persecuted or under threat of death FROM ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD can apply for asylum in a country of their choice, as a major coloniser a lot of people in the world speak our language and have been invited to live here in the past. Because of this and family / community connections people choose the UK .

Brexit also scrapped our participation in the Dublin 2 agreement which meant that if the applicant failed in his application for asylum in the UK we could return them to the initial country of entry / registration. So , in a way , Farage is proposing a solution for a problem that he created (usual right wing tactic ).

Leaving the ECHR will not help improve the number of returns

 

[Blue and true]

I'll try and unpack this for you BlueAnorak

1) Genuine? They didn't appeal for asylum at the first safe country. -

They don't have to (although the majority do) Under the UN Refugee Convention they have the right to choose the country in which to apply

2) They tramped all across Europe living under the stars to get to the channel then risked their lives to get to the UK for their free lunch: A hotel room free food and benefits courtesy of UK tax payers.-

They did tramp across Europe to get here and when they do they get put up in low grade accommodation (have you stayed in a Britannia hotel? ) Usually 4 or 5 to a room in bunk beds. If they get fed they are given an allowance of £8 / £9 a week. If they are not fed this rises to £48 a week. This is loaded onto a prepayment card called ASPEN and can only be used at certain outlets. Out of this money they are expected to feed themselves, buy toiletries ,clothing and travel to any asylum hearing.

They receive no other benefits.

3) A fucking fortune that should be being spent elsewhere on deserving causes: Poverty, the Health Services, Education etc, etc.

The cost of asylum accommodation is met out of the Overseas Aid budget ... this is a sum which has been committed to by the Government. Any reduction in asylum costs would not impact on the overall Overseas Aid Budget....which is an International commitment.

4) Why not a tent in a field somewhere? It's better than what they're used to?

This is what they do in Ireland due to a housing shortage. Now people are complaining about ''Tent Cities''
The problem with this is that there is a fundamental issue of a lack of sanitation , cooking facilities and safety around the pitching of tents in any kind of location

5) Not only that but a small minority of those who arrive treat British girls as though they are prostitutes who always say yes.

I understand your concern with this point, however would point out that the majority of grooming and rapes in the UK are committed by the indigenous population.

6) Local communities where this happens are angry and NOBODY in power is listening.

People are listening... the difficulty that the Labour party has is the huge backlog of asylum applications created by the last Government. (119000) When Labour left power there were !8600 outstanding applications.... the backlog was created by the Tories sacking over 5000 case workers out of a total of 8000. This caused the huge backlog now being faced and why they are in housed in hotels.

This figure has now reduced to 70532 (June 2025 figures) however if you include applications for their dependents this figure rises to 90812.

A total of 9100 have been forcibly deported

7) No fucking wonder people are flocking to Farage and Reform.

They are , but its because they don't understand the problem properly and the fact that we are signed up to the UN Refugee Convention 1951 which means that people who are being persecuted or under threat of death FROM ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD can apply for asylum in a country of their choice, as a major coloniser a lot of people in the world speak our language and have been invited to live here in the past. Because of this and family / community connections people choose the UK .

Brexit also scrapped our participation in the Dublin 2 agreement which meant that if the applicant failed in his application for asylum in the UK we could return them to the initial country of entry / registration. So , in a way , Farage is proposing a solution for a problem that he created (usual right wing tactic ).

Leaving the ECHR will not help improve the number of returns

 

[blueparrot]

I'll try and unpack this for you BlueAnorak

1) Genuine? They didn't appeal for asylum at the first safe country. -

They don't have to (although the majority do) Under the UN Refugee Convention they have the right to choose the country in which to apply

2) They tramped all across Europe living under the stars to get to the channel then risked their lives to get to the UK for their free lunch: A hotel room free food and benefits courtesy of UK tax payers.-

They did tramp across Europe to get here and when they do they get put up in low grade accommodation (have you stayed in a Britannia hotel? ) Usually 4 or 5 to a room in bunk beds. If they get fed they are given an allowance of £8 / £9 a week. If they are not fed this rises to £48 a week. This is loaded onto a prepayment card called ASPEN and can only be used at certain outlets. Out of this money they are expected to feed themselves, buy toiletries ,clothing and travel to any asylum hearing.

They receive no other benefits.

3) A fucking fortune that should be being spent elsewhere on deserving causes: Poverty, the Health Services, Education etc, etc.

The cost of asylum accommodation is met out of the Overseas Aid budget ... this is a sum which has been committed to by the Government. Any reduction in asylum costs would not impact on the overall Overseas Aid Budget....which is an International commitment.

4) Why not a tent in a field somewhere? It's better than what they're used to?

This is what they do in Ireland due to a housing shortage. Now people are complaining about ''Tent Cities''
The problem with this is that there is a fundamental issue of a lack of sanitation , cooking facilities and safety around the pitching of tents in any kind of location

5) Not only that but a small minority of those who arrive treat British girls as though they are prostitutes who always say yes.

I understand your concern with this point, however would point out that the majority of grooming and rapes in the UK are committed by the indigenous population.

6) Local communities where this happens are angry and NOBODY in power is listening.

People are listening... the difficulty that the Labour party has is the huge backlog of asylum applications created by the last Government. (119000) When Labour left power there were !8600 outstanding applications.... the backlog was created by the Tories sacking over 5000 case workers out of a total of 8000. This caused the huge backlog now being faced and why they are in housed in hotels.

This figure has now reduced to 70532 (June 2025 figures) however if you include applications for their dependents this figure rises to 90812.

A total of 9100 have been forcibly deported

7) No fucking wonder people are flocking to Farage and Reform.

They are , but its because they don't understand the problem properly and the fact that we are signed up to the UN Refugee Convention 1951 which means that people who are being persecuted or under threat of death FROM ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD can apply for asylum in a country of their choice, as a major coloniser a lot of people in the world speak our language and have been invited to live here in the past. Because of this and family / community connections people choose the UK .

Brexit also scrapped our participation in the Dublin 2 agreement which meant that if the applicant failed in his application for asylum in the UK we could return them to the initial country of entry / registration. So , in a way , Farage is proposing a solution for a problem that he created (usual right wing tactic ).

Leaving the ECHR will not help improve the number of returns

The worst problems of asylum seekers are self inflicted,all the best solutions would lie in a pan European plan, such as the Dublin agreeement,an option we opted out of.As I remember ,could be wrong, we had a chance to keep that agreement even post Brexit.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

The worst problems of asylum seekers are self inflicted,all the best solutions would lie in a pan European plan, such as the Dublin agreeement,an option we opted out of.As I remember ,could be wrong, we had a chance to keep that agreement even post Brexit.

It wasn't even just the people who voted for Brexit who didn't understand it properly, it was also the people who actually made it happen.

These are the same two groups of people who are now blaming foreigners for the country's problems. Even more infuriatingly, they caused a lot of them.

 

[supercity88]

It wasn't even just the people who voted for Brexit who didn't understand it properly, it was also the people who actually made it happen.

These are the same two groups of people who are now blaming foreigners for the country's problems. Even more infuriatingly, they caused a lot of them.

I wonder who we will blame when it turns out foreigners weren't the issue? Does the finger ever get turned on ourselves?!

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I wonder who we will blame when it turns out foreigners weren't the issue? Does the finger ever get turned on ourselves?!

Tony Blair I would imagine. And probably Gary Lineker.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I see the usual suspects are having a pop.
All I will say is enjoy the Reform tidal wave that will sweep Labour away. Just like it has the Tory Party.
I fucking despair, I really do.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I see the usual suspects are having a pop.
All I will say is enjoy the Reform tidal wave that will sweep Labour away. Just like it has the Tory Party.
I fucking despair, I really do.

The number of people each year arriving on small boats is less than i/2 the capacity of the Etihad
(after expansion)


The problem is not people in boats .... its people in yachts

 

[hilts]

I wonder who we will blame when it turns out foreigners weren't the issue? Does the finger ever get turned on ourselves?!

What do you believe is THE issue.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I see the usual suspects are having a pop.
All I will say is enjoy the Reform tidal wave that will sweep Labour away. Just like it has the Tory Party.
I fucking despair, I really do.

Reform didn't sweep away the Tory party. They did that all by themselves.

Reality will persist, whoever is in power. And I guess mugs will still fall for whichever grifter is next up offering fantasy simple solutions to avoid that reality.


Migration will continue.

The population will continue to age, driving up taxes.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

I'll try and unpack this for you BlueAnorak

1) Genuine? They didn't appeal for asylum at the first safe country. -

They don't have to (although the majority do) Under the UN Refugee Convention they have the right to choose the country in which to apply

2) They tramped all across Europe living under the stars to get to the channel then risked their lives to get to the UK for their free lunch: A hotel room free food and benefits courtesy of UK tax payers.-

They did tramp across Europe to get here and when they do they get put up in low grade accommodation (have you stayed in a Britannia hotel? ) Usually 4 or 5 to a room in bunk beds. If they get fed they are given an allowance of £8 / £9 a week. If they are not fed this rises to £48 a week. This is loaded onto a prepayment card called ASPEN and can only be used at certain outlets. Out of this money they are expected to feed themselves, buy toiletries ,clothing and travel to any asylum hearing.

They receive no other benefits.

3) A fucking fortune that should be being spent elsewhere on deserving causes: Poverty, the Health Services, Education etc, etc.

The cost of asylum accommodation is met out of the Overseas Aid budget ... this is a sum which has been committed to by the Government. Any reduction in asylum costs would not impact on the overall Overseas Aid Budget....which is an International commitment.

4) Why not a tent in a field somewhere? It's better than what they're used to?

This is what they do in Ireland due to a housing shortage. Now people are complaining about ''Tent Cities''
The problem with this is that there is a fundamental issue of a lack of sanitation , cooking facilities and safety around the pitching of tents in any kind of location

5) Not only that but a small minority of those who arrive treat British girls as though they are prostitutes who always say yes.

I understand your concern with this point, however would point out that the majority of grooming and rapes in the UK are committed by the indigenous population.

6) Local communities where this happens are angry and NOBODY in power is listening.

People are listening... the difficulty that the Labour party has is the huge backlog of asylum applications created by the last Government. (119000) When Labour left power there were !8600 outstanding applications.... the backlog was created by the Tories sacking over 5000 case workers out of a total of 8000. This caused the huge backlog now being faced and why they are in housed in hotels.

This figure has now reduced to 70532 (June 2025 figures) however if you include applications for their dependents this figure rises to 90812.

A total of 9100 have been forcibly deported

7) No fucking wonder people are flocking to Farage and Reform.

They are , but its because they don't understand the problem properly and the fact that we are signed up to the UN Refugee Convention 1951 which means that people who are being persecuted or under threat of death FROM ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD can apply for asylum in a country of their choice, as a major coloniser a lot of people in the world speak our language and have been invited to live here in the past. Because of this and family / community connections people choose the UK .

Brexit also scrapped our participation in the Dublin 2 agreement which meant that if the applicant failed in his application for asylum in the UK we could return them to the initial country of entry / registration. So , in a way , Farage is proposing a solution for a problem that he created (usual right wing tactic ).

Leaving the ECHR will not help improve the number of returns

Post of the year

 

[Kompany Car]

The number of people each year arriving on small boats is less than i/2 the capacity of the Etihad

Obviously a complex number for a complex problem.