What has the UK become under the far right influence?

The problem is, if you want to live in a civilised country you have to pay for it. And it ain't cheap.

People would sooner have an extra £5 a week to spend on their phone or whatever.

England hasn't really changed from the 15th Century in many ways except in those days it was:

1. We want endless war with France until we conquer it. Anyone who wants peace is a traitor.
and
2. Despite (1) we don't want to pay any tax. Anyone who wants more tax is a traitor.

You simply cannot square these circles, unless you find a huge gold mine in Bacup or a vast oil field under Lincolnshire. And then we'd probably spend the extra money on tax cuts for the rich, like Thatcher did.
 
BrianW said:
The problem is, if you want to live in a civilised country you have to pay for it. And it ain't cheap.

People would sooner have an extra £5 a week to spend on their phone or whatever.

England hasn't really changed from the 15th Century in many ways except in those days it was:

1. We want endless war with France until we conquer it. Anyone who wants peace is a traitor.
and
2. Despite (1) we don't want to pay any tax. Anyone who wants more tax is a traitor.

You simply cannot square these circles, unless you find a huge gold mine in Bacup or a vast oil field under Lincolnshire. And then we'd probably spend the extra money on tax cuts for the rich, like Thatcher did.
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The UK is ranked 20th on the great places to live index, we are above all the wester developing nations barr Australia.

Obviously the only gold we are going to find in bacup is gold plated on the necks and wrists of barbarians drinking pints out of the skulls of lambs.
 
These 'indexes' are all a tad unscientific, no? It depends on what criteria you use and who answers.

This country has visibly declined in terms of its public services in my lifetime. And I am not one of those dewey-eyed romantic elders who think everything was better in 'my day' because I know it wasn't.

Everything from prisons to schools to the NHS is falling apart at the seams. As for the quality of governance - fuck me, it makes me yearn for the days of Margaret Thatcher. I didn't like her, but at least she was competent and not a total lying ass, and she respected the rule of law.

I dare say if you are a multi-millionaire living on the fringes of Chipping Sodbury then it's OK, because the shit hasn't hit you - yet.
 
BrianW said:
These 'indexes' are all a tad unscientific, no? It depends on what criteria you use and who answers.

This country has visibly declined in terms of its public services in my lifetime. And I am not one of those dewey-eyed romantic elders who think everything was better in 'my day' because I know it wasn't.

Everything from prisons to schools to the NHS is falling apart at the seams. As for the quality of governance - fuck me, it makes me yearn for the days of Margaret Thatcher. I didn't like her, but at least she was competent and not a total lying ass, and she respected the rule of law.

I dare say if you are a multi-millionaire living on the fringes of Chipping Sodbury then it's OK, because the shit hasn't hit you - yet.
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My answers have been in reply to someone holding up Finland as an example by using the same Index that ranks the UK as 20th.

You can't please everyone but if people are agreeing with Finland being numero uno then they have to agree to the 20th for the UK, not bad considering it's a shithole in inner cities.
 
inbetween said:
I travel to Germany and the Munich area a lot and I'd absolutely love to move there. The transport is great, efficient and cheap. The roads are well maintained and Munich airport is one of the nicest airports I've been to. The towns are beautiful, everybody cycles, there are nice restaurants and it's extremely relaxed.... You get the picture.

The biggest problem with the UK is it's extremely poorly regionalised. If you goto London then you see something that somewhat resembles the picture above but go elsewhere beyond the M25 and it can be almost 3rd world. The UK is actually a poor country but by statistics we're a rich country due to the concentration of wealth in the south. That doesn't mean everybody is rich in the south, it just means that's where our wealth as a country comes from.

To show the regionalisation problem, Manchester's GDP is £80bn which is absolute peanuts and less than 5% of total UK GDP but remember that Manchester is the 3rd biggest city in the UK! Manchester could be removed from the UK economy and it would make no difference. Pretty much every German city is doing far better than this, often double better.

However, look at London which has a GDP of over £700bn, this massively outpaces every European city by a huge margin. What we have in the UK is the most powerful city in the world whilst the rest of the country is far below average in comparison to the rest of Europe. This is pretty much why all of our infrastructure spend goes to London.

The rest of the country is built upon what came before, we have still have WW2 roads and railways but we don't have a WW2 era sized population... And we're drowning because of it.
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So true sadly. Ww2? Try Victorian infrastructure with insufficient investment since. I really think we are entering 1984 territory that so many still cannot see how utterly fucked most things are.
I agree with you about regionalisation. If it were done properly and honestly it would radically improve things as long as it went hand in hand with a massive reduction in inequality.
Unfortunately when Labour get in we will get another set of beige policies that will paper over a few cracks but achieve nothing that would finally turn this country round.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Of course you don't. You don't want to end up in one within the PRC. :)

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Chinese police overseas service stations - Wikipedia

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Oh, I know this. Overseas police station，海外警察局。
But it's not a real police station, it's a part of embassy. In my country, the ID card and driver's license need to be update every maybe 10years. You need to do it before the dead line. And that is the policeman's job. If you go abroad, especially in covid era, you can't come back in time, you need to go to the embassy, they can do the job for you. 海外便民警务服务。
Not a real police station, they can't do other jobs like a real police station.
It's not that easy to have a real police station in a foreign country, isn't it?
 
Alvin-blue-qhd said:
I think life in UK looks good, I don't know why people keep complaining, to be honestly.
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Because our
Roads
Rail
Energy supply
Water industry
NHS
Social care
Social Services
Food prices

Are all pretty much fucked
Economic success and wealth is concentrated on London to the detriment of the rest of the country.
All whilst we are taxed more than ever and we have a government that we cannot trust and an opposition that seems to want to replicate many of their policies.

Other than that all is good.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Because our
Roads
Rail
Energy supply
Water industry
NHS
Social care
Social Services
Food prices

Are all pretty much fucked
Economic success and wealth is concentrated on London to the detriment of the rest of the country.
All whilst we are taxed more than ever and we have a government that we cannot trust and an opposition that seems to want to replicate many of their policies.

Other than that all is good.
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I don't know the detail ,but I know the railway systems sucks.
And the media, I mean main stream media, fuck the bbc and skynews, they lie to you British people. That's for sure.
 
mexico1970 said:
To be fair mate you're less of a radical than the mini che's you're teaching on this thread.
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You don’t seem to be happy living in the U.K. at the moment. Everything you want to happen is burning all policies to the ground.

Would you vote you were happy in this survey, or would it depend if the question was being asked by a foreigner?
 
Part of false consciousness is the belief that it's 'patriotic' to big up your country and deny it has serious weaknesses.

Real patriotism would consist of working (or paying) towards fixing those weaknesses and making the country stronger and happier.

But it's cheaper (and less demanding) to wave a Union Jack (probably made in China) and sing God Save the King. And to put all the blame on foreign devils and lefties.

The last part being very much what a certain moustached painter did a few hundred miles away, less than a century ago.
 
BrianW said:
Part of false consciousness is the belief that it's 'patriotic' to big up your country and deny it has serious weaknesses.

Real patriotism would consist of working (or paying) towards fixing those weaknesses and making the country stronger and happier.

But it's cheaper (and less demanding) to wave a Union Jack (probably made in China) and sing God Save the King. And to put all the blame on foreign devils and lefties.

The last part being very much what a certain moustached painter did a few hundred miles away, less than a century ago.
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100% agreed.
 
mexico1970 said:
To be fair mate you're less of a radical than the mini che's you're teaching on this thread.
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Bit optimistic expecting him to be radical when doing so puts him at risk of police harassment and imprisonment. Where as me and you have freedom of speech (in your case the freedom to be a malign ****).

Have you ever considered moving to China? You might find yourself at home in an authoritarian state that makes legal immigration very difficult and naturalisation impossible.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Bit optimistic expecting him to be radical when doing so puts him at risk of police harassment and imprisonment. Where as me and you have freedom of speech (in your case the freedom to be a malign ****).

Have you ever considered moving to China? You might find yourself at home in an authoritarian state that makes legal immigration very difficult and naturalisation impossible.
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Do they have millions of chippys?
 
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