What has the UK become under the far right influence?

[Chippy_boy]

We are a virus that is slowly but surely killing its host, there is no antidote for human selfishness and greed.

It'll all be down to the last man standing, coughing and spluttering his/her/their way into an early grave and blaming somebody else for it.

Don't worry, "the machines", i.e. AI will take over soon anyway. And I am not even joking.

We are creating machines that will soon be more intelligent than us, and VERY soon after that, unconstrained by our limited human biology, will be MASSIVELY more intelligent. And once this happens, there is absolutely nothing to suggest, let alone guarantee, that they will have our interests at heart. Or even give a toss. We will be like flies to them. Hopefully interesting flies. If we are not interesting then it's game over for humanity in 100 years or so anyway. Intelligent biological life on Earth will have become a transient, fleeting "blip" on the chart of our 4.5 billion year history.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Don't worry, "the machines", i.e. AI will take over soon anyway. And I am not even joking.

We are creating machines that will soon be more intelligent than us, and VERY soon after that, unconstrained by our limited human biology, will be MASSIVELY more intelligent. And once this happens, there is absolutely nothing to suggest, let alone guarantee, that they will have our interests at heart. Or even give a toss. We will be like flies to them. Hopefully interesting flies. If we are not interesting then it's game over for humanity in 100 years or so anyway. Intelligent biological life on Earth will have become a transient, fleeting "blip" on the chart of our 4.5 billion year history.

They’ll still need our clothes, boots and motorcycle though.

 

[Chippy_boy]

They’ll still need our clothes, boots and motorcycle though.

Fortunately, robotics advanced enough to do Terminator style things, lags AI development by a decade or three, or we could be witnessing what you allude to, very soon indeed. I think we will have AGI for sure within 10 years and the "singularity" - the point at which AI intelligence accelerates away, leaving us in the dust - no more than a handful of years after that. And I think the 10 year prediction is very conservative. We could even see it in the next 2 or 3 years. Maybe even sooner than that.

People don't seem to realise that this is the single biggest thing to ever happen to humanity. It's FAR bigger a threat than climate change, which is mere "fluff" compared to this. AT BEST, AI is simply going to create mass unemployment on a scale never seen before. That's at best. At worst, it is the end of all human life in the next 100 years.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Fortunately, robotics advanced enough to do Terminator style things, lags AI development by a decade or three, or we could be witnessing what you allude to, very soon indeed. I think we will have AGI for sure within 10 years and the "singularity" - the point at which AI intelligence accelerates away, leaving us in the dust - no more than a handful of years after that. And I think the 10 year prediction is very conservative. We could even see it in the next 2 or 3 years. Maybe even sooner than that.

People don't seem to realise that this is the single biggest thing to ever happen to humanity. It's FAR bigger a threat than climate change, which is mere "fluff" compared to this. AT BEST, AI is simply going to create mass unemployment on a scale never seen before. That's at best. At worst, it is the end of all human life in the next 100 years.

I’m not sure I like the plot of Terminator 6.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Take a look at this:

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Take a look at this:

I’ll have a look in a bit, not got the opportunity to watch it with full attention at the moment.

Like all these things though, with great power comes great responsibility.

 

[Blue and true]

Don't worry, "the machines", i.e. AI will take over soon anyway. And I am not even joking.

We are creating machines that will soon be more intelligent than us, and VERY soon after that, unconstrained by our limited human biology, will be MASSIVELY more intelligent. And once this happens, there is absolutely nothing to suggest, let alone guarantee, that they will have our interests at heart. Or even give a toss. We will be like flies to them. Hopefully interesting flies. If we are not interesting then it's game over for humanity in 100 years or so anyway. Intelligent biological life on Earth will have become a transient, fleeting "blip" on the chart of our 4.5 billion year history.

I think that's a little melodramatic; at least within the timeframes you've suggested. AI will ultimately take over but that should be millennia from now, not hundreds of years.

 

[inbetween]

Don't worry, "the machines", i.e. AI will take over soon anyway. And I am not even joking.

We are creating machines that will soon be more intelligent than us, and VERY soon after that, unconstrained by our limited human biology, will be MASSIVELY more intelligent. And once this happens, there is absolutely nothing to suggest, let alone guarantee, that they will have our interests at heart. Or even give a toss. We will be like flies to them. Hopefully interesting flies. If we are not interesting then it's game over for humanity in 100 years or so anyway. Intelligent biological life on Earth will have become a transient, fleeting "blip" on the chart of our 4.5 billion year history.

I think this is why people like Elon Musk are talking up AI regulation. A true AI won't be restrained by the barriers that we build. Any AI worth its salt won't try to kill us to overtake the planet, it'll recognise that we're a problem and surely then the only cure would be to kill us.

We're miles away from that though unless we're stupid enough to give it military autonomy or control over the nukes....

The only thing that scares me about AI is how much it could accelerate the field of biology. If we can replicate and build a better version of ourselves and integrate AI into that... That's when shit gets real.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I think that's a little melodramatic; at least within the timeframes you've suggested. AI will ultimately take over but that should be millennia from now, not hundreds of years.

Honestly mate, and I mean this in all sincerity, you're dreaming. We will not be the most intelligent species on the planet in 10 years time, let alone 100.

10 years. Let that sink in for a moment. There are rumours that OpenAI's nextgen solution Q* (pronounced "Q star") now *understands* advanced mathematics. If this is true, 10 years is a maximum and it could be 3.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I think this is why people like Elon Musk are talking up AI regulation. A true AI won't be restrained by the barriers that we build. Any AI worth its salt won't try to kill us to overtake the planet, it'll recognise that we're a problem and surely then the only cure would be to kill us.

We're miles away from that though unless we're stupid enough to give it military autonomy or control over the nukes....

The only thing that scares me about AI is how much it could accelerate the field of biology. If we can replicate and build a better version of ourselves and integrate AI into that... That's when shit gets real.

I hate to worry you, but it will inevitably control the nukes. A country using slow, flaky and unreliable humans to control its defence systems will be cannon fodder to the country that has AI making decisions in the blink of an gnat's eye. So we will necessarily relinquish control to these systems.

Not that it needs to do this in order to wipe us out. It could imagine all sorts of ingenious ways we haven't even contemplated, or even have the mental capacity TO contemplate.

It's a bit like you and me being a couple of dogs woofing at each other, having absolutely no idea whatsoever what our masters are talking about. And if the masters decide they need to put the dogs to sleep, that the dogs could realistically do anything about it.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I’ll have a look in a bit, not got the opportunity to watch it with full attention at the moment.

Like all these things though, with great power comes great responsibility.

Yes, it does. I am 62 and have no kids, so watch this all unfold with huge fascination and little sense of personal foreboding since I will likely not be here if/when the very worst comes to pass. But honestly I don't know what I would say/do if I had young kids. What would I say to them? What would I advise them to do for a career? What's the point of training to be an accountant if in 20 years we don't need any accountants?

People worry about climate change and their kids' futures, but that's such inconsequential fluff. The world will get warmer, weather will change, some parts of the world will become inhabitable, others more so. Some people will move, there will be upheaval. We'll get over it. It is NOT an existential threat. Most western countries will be barely impacted at all. Lots of animals will die. Sad, but they always do, and new species will thrive.

But AI could very, very easily be the end of all mankind, and all we have is a "hope" that it won't want to kill us. But there is nothing to suggest that it won't. We have no clue how these systems learnt to speak Persian, when we didn't teach them to speak Persian (true, BTW). We have no clue what's going in inside these massive neural nets that enables them to seem to think as well as they do. Even the current, limited tech like GPT4, is said to "just" predict the next word in sentence. Hard to believe, when you see it critique whole documents or output an entire novel. But even if they are "only" predictive text engines, in order to be able to predict text, you need to "understand" the subject, and these things unquestionable do understand already. And that is GPT4, 1-year old tech. 1-year being a long time in this field.

50% of the top AI scientists think there is a 10% or greater chance that AI will result in the end of mankind. Would you get on plane if you thought you had a 10% chance of dying?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Yes, it does. I am 62 and have no kids, so watch this all unfold with huge fascination and little sense of personal foreboding since I will likely not be here if/when the very worst comes to pass. But honestly I don't know what I would say/do if I had young kids. What would I say to them? What would I advise them to do for a career? What's the point of training to be an accountant if in 20 years we don't need any accountants?

People worry about climate change and their kids' futures, but that's such inconsequential fluff. The world will get warmer, weather will change, some parts of the world will become inhabitable, others more so. Some people will move, there will be upheaval. We'll get over it. It is NOT an existential threat. Most western countries will be barely impacted at all. Lots of animals will die. Sad, but they always do, and new species will thrive.

But AI could very, very easily be the end of all mankind, and all we have is a "hope" that it won't want to kill us. But there is nothing to suggest that it won't. We have no clue how these systems learnt to speak Persian, when we didn't teach them to speak Persian (true, BTW). We have no clue what's going in inside these massive neural nets that enables them to seem to think as well as they do. Even the current, limited tech like GPT4, is said to "just" predict the next word in sentence. Hard to believe, when you see it critique whole documents or output an entire novel. But even if they are "only" predictive text engines, in order to be able to predict text, you need to "understand" the subject, and these things unquestionable do understand already. And that is GPT4, 1-year old tech. 1-year being a long time in this field.

50% of the top AI scientists think there is a 10% or greater chance that AI will result in the end of mankind. Would you get on plane if you thought you had a 10% chance of dying?

I don’t doubt that all that is plausible, but I can imagine a similar scenario of a father trying to explain, in the mid 80s, how the internet would destroy humanity. Maybe he was right…

When I’m chatting with my Gran, who’s 96, I often think about her having gone through incredible change in her lifetime. She had osteomyelitis as a child and had to have it drained out as penicillin hadn’t been discovered yet. No phones, TVs, hardly any cars etc.

I get the feeling this next 100 years will have even more exponential change too, for the reasons you outline.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I don’t doubt that all that is plausible, but I can imagine a similar scenario of a father trying to explain, in the mid 80s, how the internet would destroy humanity. Maybe he was right…

When I’m chatting with my Gran, who’s 96, I often think about her having gone through incredible change in her lifetime. She had osteomyelitis as a child and had to have it drained out as penicillin hadn’t been discovered yet. No phones, TVs, hardly any cars etc.

I get the feeling this next 100 years will have even more exponential change too, for the reasons you outline.

Yeah, totally agree Alan.

On the topic of AI taking away jobs, people say "No, heard the same before when we invented XYZ. New industries were created and people work on new jobs instead". That of course is true - that's what has always happened previously.

But this is ENTIRELY different. Never before have we ever invented anything that will be able to do the new jobs as well. And do them better than humans can do them. Inevitably, IMO, this is going to lead to mass unemployment. And even if my assertion is not true, the huge scope of jobs being lost, means it's difficult to imagine how enough new jobs could be found to employ everyone whose current role is no longer needed.

Graphic designers, gone; programmers, gone; accountants, gone; company directors, gone; supply chain planners, gone; buyers, gone; teachers, gone; doctors - largely gone; engineers, gone, architects, gone. I struggle to think of any activity that does not need touchy-feely or manual skills that will not be massively impacted.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Yeah, totally agree Alan.

On the topic of AI taking away jobs, people say "No, heard the same before when we invented XYZ. New industries were created and people work on new jobs instead". That of course is true - that's what has always happened previously.

But this is ENTIRELY different. Never before have we every invented anything that will be able to do the new jobs as well. And do them better than humans can do them. Inevitably, IMO, this is going to lead to mass unemployment. And even if my assertion is not true, the huge scope of jobs being lost, means it's difficult to imagine how enough new jobs could be found to employ everyone whose current role is no longer needed.

Graphic designers, gone; programmers, gone; accountants, gone; company directors, gone; supply chain planners, gone; buyers, gone; teachers, gone; doctors - largely gone; engineers, gone, architects, gone. I struggle to think of any activity that does not need touchy-feely or manual skills that will not be massively impacted.

As computers get faster, their ability to solve any scenario also increases exponentially, so the rate of development is going to be similar.

The only reason robots aren’t used more in hospitals, for surgery in particular, is that the Wifi can’t be guaranteed.

Couple that with harvesting fusion energy and I’ve no idea where we will be in 2100. Fortunately, I won’t be there, unless my brain has been put in a robot, of course!

 

[Don Karleone]

You have people like this to thank for what the UK has become.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Corbyn could not have been worse than Johnson by any stretch he lied and cheated his way to the top surrounded himself with like minded individuals.

We will be okay with a Labour government I like the promise of house building and the NHS getting millions of sick and disabled operations done for people will be their priority. Paying for it by non dom tax and other tax dodges should alleviate some of the tax burden left by the current Tories.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Don't worry, "the machines", i.e. AI will take over soon anyway. And I am not even joking.

We are creating machines that will soon be more intelligent than us, and VERY soon after that, unconstrained by our limited human biology, will be MASSIVELY more intelligent. And once this happens, there is absolutely nothing to suggest, let alone guarantee, that they will have our interests at heart. Or even give a toss. We will be like flies to them. Hopefully interesting flies. If we are not interesting then it's game over for humanity in 100 years or so anyway. Intelligent biological life on Earth will have become a transient, fleeting "blip" on the chart of our 4.5 billion year history.

Yes but have they figured out how to climb stairs yet?

 

[johnnytapia]

I wouldn't exactly say you can "relax" but world population is only growing so rapidly because it's cultural to have like 10 kids in some countries (e.g. half of Africa) because historically, half of them died before they are 5 and half of the rest before they were 30.

As standards of living, nutrition, heathcare and life expectancy increase, so does the need to have 10 kids. We've seen huge reductions in birth rates in various countries as these changes come about.

And on that basis, it is expected that the world population will peak at around 11bn. Feeding that many people is not exactly a walk in the park, but with modern farming methods and new technologies like synthetic protein-based "meat", then it is sustainable.

 

[johnnytapia]

As computers get faster, their ability to solve any scenario also increases exponentially, so the rate of development is going to be similar.

The only reason robots aren’t used more in hospitals, for surgery in particular, is that the Wifi can’t be guaranteed.

Couple that with harvesting fusion energy and I’ve no idea where we will be in 2100. Fortunately, I won’t be there, unless my brain has been put in a robot, of course!

“The only reason robots aren’t used more in hospitals, for surgery in particular, is that the Wifi can’t be guaranteed.”

Not strictly true - they can’t afford the car parking either.

 

[blueinsa]

You have people like this to thank for what the UK has become.

Corbyn and co would have been as big a disaster as this lot.

The idiots on the left need to be avoided as much as those on the right.