What is a good salary?

[halfmist]

Woke is about an awareness of justice, particularly racial injustice. Are you actually using that word about affordable housing?

So you want pay to be taxpayer subsidised but you don't want housing to be taxpayer subsidised?

I would suggest that the money for affordable housing could easily come from either shifting capital gains to the same rate as income tax, or perhaps (perish the thought) that we could use some of the 21 trillion pounds of offshore wealth that has been squirrelled away because our government condones and facilitates widespread tax avoidance.

Not sure where you will recover £21 trillion from, particularly if it is in overseas accounts where UK has no jurisdiction. Cutting down on tax evasion has been every Governments wish since Tax was introduced but in reality brings in very little.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Sickness/illness/lameness is prolific, across the public sector when compared to the private sector. It always has been.
Age has never been a barrier.

 

[Norbert D]

Not sure where you will recover £21 trillion from, particularly if it is in overseas accounts where UK has no jurisdiction. Cutting down on tax evasion has been every Governments wish since Tax was introduced but in reality brings in very little.

Didn’t that **** Osborne, who’s austerity killed half a million people cut a deal that let Vodafone escape a six billion quid tax liability?

 

[halfmist]

Sickness/illness/lameness is prolific, across the public sector, compared to private sector. It always has been.
Age has never been a barrier.

That’s because in the public sector it’s seen as an inconvenience not a cost so no one is held accountable.

 

[Norbert D]

Sickness/illness/lameness is prolific, across the public sector when compared to private sector. It always has been.
Age has never been a barrier.

Absolute fucking bollocks. Show us your source of data.

 

[Norbert D]

That’s because in the public sector it’s seen as an inconvenience not a cost so no one is held accountable.

i work in the public sector and have worked in the private sector roughly 50/50 split. Unless you have evidence it’s nothing more than spouting Daily Mail bullshit. The onus is now on you to back up your claim.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Now now Mr K, surely you can manage better than that. I know you are lacking some of your comrades from over on the politics threads but surely even with your level of intelligence you can put together a better response. Making it so personal does highlight your poor debating skills

Because you are vermin and not worth the energy.

 

[halfmist]

Didn’t that **** Osborne, who’s austerity killed half a million people cut a deal that let Vodafone escape a six billion quid tax liability?

I am sure there are several examples.
The problem with multinationals are if the Government lean on them they will up sticks and be welcomed with open arms eg Ireland

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Absolute fucking bollocks. Show us your source of data.

Personal opinion my friend. No data required. Seen it all. Lived it. Put it down to life experience, I guess.
Something's just can't be googled.

 

[oldius]

Not sure where you will recover £21 trillion from, particularly if it is in overseas accounts where UK has no jurisdiction. Cutting down on tax evasion has been every Governments wish since Tax was introduced but in reality brings in very little.

Because there is not a general commitment to it. Why would there be? Nadhim Zahawi is a tax avoider. Rees-Mogg shifted his fund to Dublin to avoid tax. Sunak pays himself a multi-million pound income through a trust to avoid tax and declares his wife non-dom to do the same. How can it possibly be right that Rishi Sunak pays a smaller percentage of his income in tax than a nurse does?

Still, I have been clear about how it could be funded and what could be done. You seem a little lost, yourself. The reality is that some areas are better in public hands. When we look at what is needed as a nation, economic growth is written large. Proper pay and affordable housing would be such a shift towards that goal. Money in the pocket can be spent. Money desperately clawed from every corner of a purse just to get by cannot.

 

[halfmist]

Because you are vermin and not worth the energy.

Brilliant, for someone you have never met to have such an affect on you then there are clearly issues, perhaps you should try counselling.

 

[Norbert D]

I am sure there are several examples.
The problem with multinationals are if the Government lean on them they will up sticks and be welcomed with open arms eg Ireland

not that tired old shite again. The only thing that went to Ireland was finance jobs and Rees-Mogg money.

 

[oldius]

I am sure there are several examples.
The problem with multinationals are if the Government lean on them they will up sticks and be welcomed with open arms eg Ireland

Which is exactly why the EU wanted multi-national tax agreements, and probably why we chose a referendum instead.

"The UK spider’s web is responsible for fully a half of the world’s offshore tax evasion losses."

 

[Norbert D]

Brilliant, for someone you have never met to have such an affect on you then there are clearly issues, perhaps you should try counselling.

Are you Eric Pickles?

 

[halfmist]

Because there is not a general commitment to it. Why would there be? Nadhim Zahawi is a tax avoider. Rees-Mogg shifted his fund to Dublin to avoid tax. Sunak pays himself a multi-million pound income through a trust to avoid tax and declares his wife non-dom to do the same. How can it possibly be right that Rishi Sunak pays a smaller percentage of his income in tax than a nurse does?

Still, I have been clear about how it could be funded and what could be done. You seem a little lost, yourself. The reality is that some areas are better in public hands. When we look at what is needed as a nation, economic growth is written large. Proper pay and affordable housing would be such a shift towards that goal. Money in the pocket can be spent. Money desperately clawed from every corner of a purse just to get by cannot.

I am afraid that is just rhetoric. Best of luck getting a Government to implement your theories.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Brilliant, for someone you have never met to have such an affect on you then there are clearly issues, perhaps you should try counselling.

Won't work with me. I know enough about your character to know you are the type of person I'd avoid.

There are wealthy people who have maintained some humility and good grace. You definitely aren't one of them and aren't anything more than a glorified gambler. It's not something that is worth admiring.

 

[halfmist]

not that tired old shite again. The only thing that went to Ireland was finance jobs and Rees-Mogg money.

Of course.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I’ve worked in the private sector, for a couple of PLCs, and am now self employed, engaging professionally with the public sector daily.

Based on my experience, the notion that the private sector (overall) is discernibly more efficient than the public sector is a fucking lie.

I’ve seen so much waste in large commercial organisations.

Large organisations (public and private) generally are to a significant extent wasteful and inefficient. Perfectly stands to reason.

 

[oldius]

I am afraid that is just rhetoric. Best of luck getting a Government to implement your theories.

I suggest you proclaim it as rhetoric because you have no argument against it.

In simple terms:

Pay is too low. Houses are too costly. The cost of living has soared.

We are one of the global leaders in tax avoidance.
Our politicians declare essential services unaffordable.
The average house is now nearly 10x the median UK salary.
Our economic growth has stagnated for a decade.
We top up the pay of private sector low-paid workers.

Does that feel right to you?

 

[halfmist]

Won't work with me. I know enough about your character to know you are the type of person I'd avoid.

There are wealthy people who have maintained some humility and good grace. You definitely aren't one of them and aren't anything more than a glorified gambler. It's not something that is worth admiring.

I will sleep well tonight knowing I could lead your life anytime I like, but you will never be in a position to lead mine and that’s why we will never meet so no need to worry about avoiding me.