Ask Fat Sam he going around like a fluffed up peacock telling anyone who will listen how great he is and disrespecting our manager! He wouldn't of liked it last season if Pelegrini came out with how easy it was thrashing his team and how shite he set up his team...
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What is it that's missing
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Prestwich_Blue
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A question mark?
ifiwasarichfan
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I don't see any reason to rush Mangala into the starting 11 when Demichelis did so well in the second half of the season and I think a lot of the abuse being laid at Yaya's door is the fault of Fernando. I can see he is a decent player but he is no better than Nigel De Jong and De Jong always had Barry with him.
We are also missing Nasri. In the games he has played, he looked to me like he was carrying an injury and Silva and Yaya need him to feed the ball into. As Nasri swans around with it in the last third we then rotate the oppositon out of positon. It's the key factor in why we literally pass the ball into the other sides net so often.
Very sad that the Bluemoon boo boys are laying into Kolorov and Dzeko who so far this season have probably performed better individually than both our Captain and our warrior right back who to be fair did have very intense World Cups, but then again so did lots of the Chelsea players.
The other argument is that we should have gone Billy big time in the transfer window. I didn't see Bayern, Madrid or Barca or Chelsea linked in the papers with anyone we bought.
We sold Garcia, Rodwell and got £2M for Barry ? - add that to the £49 the shyster's from the Cartel allowed us and I think it was just enough to purchase Alexis Sanchez and Fabregas. Now, I do know they might have chosen Arsenal and Chelsea over us but it was criminal neglect for us not to be in the running. Tony Kroos and Xavi Alonso are other "Worldies" who went on the cheap.
We are also missing Nasri. In the games he has played, he looked to me like he was carrying an injury and Silva and Yaya need him to feed the ball into. As Nasri swans around with it in the last third we then rotate the oppositon out of positon. It's the key factor in why we literally pass the ball into the other sides net so often.
Very sad that the Bluemoon boo boys are laying into Kolorov and Dzeko who so far this season have probably performed better individually than both our Captain and our warrior right back who to be fair did have very intense World Cups, but then again so did lots of the Chelsea players.
The other argument is that we should have gone Billy big time in the transfer window. I didn't see Bayern, Madrid or Barca or Chelsea linked in the papers with anyone we bought.
We sold Garcia, Rodwell and got £2M for Barry ? - add that to the £49 the shyster's from the Cartel allowed us and I think it was just enough to purchase Alexis Sanchez and Fabregas. Now, I do know they might have chosen Arsenal and Chelsea over us but it was criminal neglect for us not to be in the running. Tony Kroos and Xavi Alonso are other "Worldies" who went on the cheap.
Mancini had tactics that made actually defenders look better than they really were.
Pelle's tactics seriously make look them worse than they really are.
Would be really unhappy as a defender under Pellegrini, they feel they dont get the protection they need, and it leads to madness sometimes. Also it will lead to lesser teams easily rip our defence apart. How do we expect then any serious improvement in CL? Where we only meet champions or other league's 2nd/3rd placed teams?
I dont believe this is pushed by the CEO and Txiki, that this style needs to be like this. They were at Barca when Pep were doing wonders with Barca that was down to the incredible pressing they were doing around 2006-2009. We want to be as open as them but without the pressing as or stars cant be asked for some reason to press high up, Aguero, Silva, yaya etc. Dont know why, they dont have energy etc, load of shit, Messi, Iniesta, Pedro all have energy but our players dont?
I saw 2008 European Championship Spain were fantastic they were pressing like hell, Silva was tackling a lot and actually getting ball off opponents.
Our stars are just too comfortable.
Yaya played in that Barca as a defensive midfielder. He knows what a def midfielder does. Especially as he had to protect defence behind Xavi/Iniesta.
He had zero license to go forward like here at City. His goal stats show this clearly. Yet here he only walks when we dont have the ball 90% of games.
On top of it, there is no pressing at all, but than some players do not even track back. Then what left? Free runners vs our defenders a lot of the times, huge open spaces in our midfield, defender has to decided who to track the one with the ball or a free runner who will get the ball (Totti's goal vs Roma?) in a game...
Pelle's tactics seriously make look them worse than they really are.
Would be really unhappy as a defender under Pellegrini, they feel they dont get the protection they need, and it leads to madness sometimes. Also it will lead to lesser teams easily rip our defence apart. How do we expect then any serious improvement in CL? Where we only meet champions or other league's 2nd/3rd placed teams?
I dont believe this is pushed by the CEO and Txiki, that this style needs to be like this. They were at Barca when Pep were doing wonders with Barca that was down to the incredible pressing they were doing around 2006-2009. We want to be as open as them but without the pressing as or stars cant be asked for some reason to press high up, Aguero, Silva, yaya etc. Dont know why, they dont have energy etc, load of shit, Messi, Iniesta, Pedro all have energy but our players dont?
I saw 2008 European Championship Spain were fantastic they were pressing like hell, Silva was tackling a lot and actually getting ball off opponents.
Our stars are just too comfortable.
Yaya played in that Barca as a defensive midfielder. He knows what a def midfielder does. Especially as he had to protect defence behind Xavi/Iniesta.
He had zero license to go forward like here at City. His goal stats show this clearly. Yet here he only walks when we dont have the ball 90% of games.
On top of it, there is no pressing at all, but than some players do not even track back. Then what left? Free runners vs our defenders a lot of the times, huge open spaces in our midfield, defender has to decided who to track the one with the ball or a free runner who will get the ball (Totti's goal vs Roma?) in a game...
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No pre season, injuries and lack of fitness making it hard to bed in new players, annoying niggling injuries hitting players just when they hit form. Loss of form by Yaya and fernandinho. Then just as we look a bit settled an international break comes around the players go off to all corners and we seem to start again.
The World Cup hung us, the fixture list then drew us and international breaks and injuries have quartered us.
But I think we now have a run, have players getting fit and need to start doing what we did this time last I year
The World Cup hung us, the fixture list then drew us and international breaks and injuries have quartered us.
But I think we now have a run, have players getting fit and need to start doing what we did this time last I year
bigf42
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What is missing is a level of pragmatism, combined with complacency from management and players.
West Ham were never going to be the soft touch they were last season, yet we turn up and expect to roll them over with 442, on the Saturday after a long Champions League trip.
I also sense as an earlier post said that the players are loosing faith in the system, particularly with the lack of defensive cover in midfield.
West Ham were never going to be the soft touch they were last season, yet we turn up and expect to roll them over with 442, on the Saturday after a long Champions League trip.
I also sense as an earlier post said that the players are loosing faith in the system, particularly with the lack of defensive cover in midfield.
Not enough directness and speed
Lack of defensive cover in the midfield, stemming from Yaya
Bit of pragmatism from Pellers
Bit of fight and hunger
They aren't huge things and it certainly isn't a crisis or anything, it just needs to be tweaked a bit.
Lack of defensive cover in the midfield, stemming from Yaya
Bit of pragmatism from Pellers
Bit of fight and hunger
They aren't huge things and it certainly isn't a crisis or anything, it just needs to be tweaked a bit.
Jack Wills
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The frustrating thing is that the manager and players don't seem to be learning from poor performances. They say we need to play with more intensity, we'll be fired up, that performance wasn't good enough, then go out and show the same lack of urgency.
They must see how teams like Chelsea play, teams like Southampton pressing opposition all over the pitch, but then seem to think they just need to turn up, stroll about and we'll win. We have some very good players who are all capable of much better, but for some reason it's all a bit lacklustre so far. It's like we're hoping for Chelsea to fuck up instead of forcing our will on other teams.
They must see how teams like Chelsea play, teams like Southampton pressing opposition all over the pitch, but then seem to think they just need to turn up, stroll about and we'll win. We have some very good players who are all capable of much better, but for some reason it's all a bit lacklustre so far. It's like we're hoping for Chelsea to fuck up instead of forcing our will on other teams.
gravediggerj
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I think the midfield two is a core problem. Yaya now is not defensive minded and Fernando is not attack minded. To play a mid 2 you need 2 proper cm (milner and dinho). If we have three there then Fernando and Yaya become the obvious choice as they do what they do, Fernando protects and Yaya bombs on. Mangala now hasn't proved better than demi so that should be rectified. Also rotation should only be in the forward roles. My opinion only