Where do people think we sit in terms of club football and the top squads in the world?

on paper the squad is now up there with the best
in reality
domestically - top 2
internationally - not in the top 10, yet, only the roma away game showed the potential we have, all our bayern wins were when it didn't matter to them
big champions league season for us coming up, we have to perform, we can do it, we just have to show it
 
1st Barca
2nd Real Madrid
3rd Bayern
4th City
5th Atletico
6th PSG
7th Chelsea
8th/9th/10th Juve/Arsenal/Roma/Dortmund
 
Best team in the land and all the world...

Apart from Barca, and at a stretch Madrid.
Bayern have a stronger mentality in Europe but if we were in the Bundesliga I think we'd be giving them a run for their money.
 
Damocles said:
Our first choice if one of our starting midfielders is injured is Fernando or Delph.
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But we have the capability of changing the system and still performing well and getting results with either of those players. If Fernando and Delph played centrally we'd be more compact defensively and would still have enough attacking talent to win games.

Look at Real Madrid last season when Modric was injured... in the CL against Juve they played Ramos in the centre in the first game and as that didn't work they then played a ridiculously attacking lineup and had very little balance.

Barca without Messi are just nowhere near the same level. Who comes in if one of their centre backs are injured? What do they do if Suarez is injured? I think Bayern have the best squad - that's to say that they can cope the best if they have injuries.

In terms of starting 11, well that's altogether different. We're a much better side than we were and on the face of things so far, we're up there defensively as one of the best, better than Real and Barca in terms of options in defence. In the attacking sense we're not as good because we don't have Ronaldo/Messi. I'd say we're as good a threat as Bayern now and could go toe to toe with Real. The Messi, Suarez, Neymar combination is the best attacking threat anywhere, but at 20/24 - Sterling, De Bruyne, Aguero can certainly flourish over the season and beyond... especially with Silva and Yaya behind it.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Every team has a problem like that in at least one position.
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I'd argue center mid is the most important position to have real squad depth and comparably our backups are not even EL level.

Said to a mate the other day that I'd probably never say this on here because of the amount of dummy spitting that will occur, but due to our first four games and our excellent options at attacking mid we've become overrated as a squad.

The problems we had in terms of lack of quality don't just disappear in 3 months due to a great start.

Kolarov and Sagna are still not good enough for us in the long term. We still lack top quality up front if Aguero were to become injured, we still have poor depth at centre mid. We still need at least 5 to get to the very highest levels of the Barcas of the world and be covered for all eventualities.

We've got an embarrassment of riches in our attacking mid, a solid backup at center back and had a good start so people have gotten carried away
 
to be fair it has been bothering me how 10 of the 11 from last season seem to be 'so much better' at the start of this season - maybe i'm ignoring the last six games of last season I don't know but fundamentally the 11 on the pitch has barely changed the odds on us winning the league has shortened unbelievable in that time
 
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