Where have all the police gone?

It was on TV yesterday a horrific situation the same gang going round beating up local youngsters, 11 yr old’s and the police ignoring it
I don’t know why they can’t act it’s wrong if your children can’t go to school or play out for fear of being beaten up. It’s not just a thump either it’s kicking and the police say it’s not brain damage so they can’t act.
 
Blue Mist said:
In the 1970's there was no Drug problem bar 'mandys' and a bit of lsd so no gangs, guns and addicts.
There were no computers so no Internet fraud, no mobile phones worth hundreds of pounds to steal but also to facilitate crime.
The same number of coppers now have to deal with all of the above.
To be fair, GMP have sacked off their band.
But the real problem is not how many coppers we have but how we use them and the laws we give them. The laws are too complex, too hard to enforce and to dare I say it, woke (text messages that upset someone should not be investigated by the police.)
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I can understand all of that mate, but SURELY over the last 50 years and also with all the new tech we have, there have been efficiency improvements?

Anecdotally, how many police are at the Etihad on a Saturday now? Compared with back in the 70s when there was fucking battalions of them.
 
Chippy_boy said:
And what are they doing exactly?

My Mrs told me this morning about horrific situation in Chorley (I think) where kids are routinely being several beaten up - like jumping up and down on heads and kids potentially losing eyes or getting brain damage - and the police being "too busy" to do anything about it.

I know police numbers are down, but I wondered by how much, so I did a bit of Googling. Turns out there were roughly 120,000 police officers in England and Wales in the 1970's and although that number rose in between and has fallen back, there are today about 120,000 officers.

But back in the 70's we saw bobbies on the beat, routinely. Burglaries were followed up on, always. Fingerprints taken etc. Patrol cars visibly patrolling often. Local police stations existed, and were not closed due to "cuts". And they had no technology back then to help them either.

And yet nowadays, the police have all sorts of tech to help them fight crime. And they have the same numbers of police as before. So it made me think, what are they all actually doing? Is there lack of action to combat the sort of criminality described above actually more political by them, sending out a message saying "we need more resources", rather than an actual lack of resources, perhaps? The police say they are overstretched and can't cope. Overstretched on what?
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100x more police isn't going to change anything, none of these scrotes do what they do in view of the police.

I live near Chorley and the huge new build estate Buckshaw Village near me has constant problems with kids coming in on the train from other towns like Leyland causing havoc on the estate and local shops. The police respond to it but they do nothing as there's just too many of them. They declare some sort of dispersal order which the scrotes just ignore or they come back the day after, it's fun and games to them.

What are the police going to do anyway? Arrest them and send them through a court system which barely gives 10 year sentences to murderers? They'd be lucky to even get prosecuted and then they're back on the streets causing havoc.

The real question has nothing to do with the police, it's where are the parents of these kids??
 
inbetween said:
100x more police isn't going to change anything, none of these scrotes do what they do in view of the police.

I live near Chorley and the huge new build estate Buckshaw Village near me has constant problems with kids coming in on the train from other towns like Leyland causing havoc on the estate and local shops. The police respond to it but they do nothing as there's just too many of them. They declare some sort of dispersal order which the scrotes just ignore or they come back the day after, it's fun and games to them.

What are the police going to do anyway? Arrest them and send them through a court system which barely gives 10 year sentences to murderers? They'd be lucky to even get prosecuted and then they're back in the streets causing havoc.

The real question has nothing to do with the police, it's where are the parents of these kids??
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I agree with all of that mate. Unfortunately the parents of the scrotes are also scrotes, and theirs before that. We have an endemic problem I fear.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I agree with all of that mate. Unfortunately the parents of the scrotes are also scrotes, and theirs before that. We have an endemic problem I fear.
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The other thing is most of this is driven by and filmed on social media, the police could easily go on it and identify who did what but they can't even do that.

You can film yourself robbing a house live nowadays and you will probably get away with it.
 
Chippy_boy said:
And they had no technology back then to help them either.
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It's almost as if despite the promises, technology does very little to make people more efficient at their jobs. It lets you measure a lot of things though. As long as everyone spends at least half of their working day entering data about what they did the rest of the time.
 
The police were being sexually assaulted at Notting hill carnival the other day, some more spent a lot of time at the pride events and others will be monitoring CCTV or off work sick with stress.

Because minor crimes are not being chased up the more serious crimes like violence are being ignored too, I seriously wouldn't call the police for anything at all now.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with them being paid a full GPs NHS salary for working only part of the week though.
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If your GP surgery has been swallowed up by one of these larger groups of practices then you’ll find your GP’s are probably “supporting” the other surgeries in the group - quite possibly by offering phone support from home.

GP’s have always been private but they were locals and a group of them would run our local surgeries. Now these are being sold to groups who want to realise economies of scale - and we suffer. What’s happening was always a risk with our GP system - I don’t think the government can easily intervene either. It’s a bit of a shit show really. Won’t be long before your GP surgery becomes a listed feature on house particulars like good local schools have become.
 
On the one hand, if you report that your bike has been nicked nowadays, they won't do anything about it. But then in the 70s, you could report that you'd been beaten up or raped by your husband and they'd file it under domestic and go back to their newspaper. Swings and roundabouts.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
It's almost as if despite the promises, technology does very little to make people more efficient at their jobs. It lets you measure a lot of things though. As long as everyone spends at least half of their working day entering data about what they did the rest of the time.
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I think there's a lot of that. When I was a rep in the 80's and 90's with no laptop and no mobile phone, you were either out visiting prospects, or if you were in the office, you were expected to be phoning prospects all the time. There was nowhere to hide.

Now, many people spend all day on the computer being "busy" but basically doing fuck all for half the time.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I can understand all of that mate, but SURELY over the last 50 years and also with all the new tech we have, there have been efficiency improvements?

Anecdotally, how many police are at the Etihad on a Saturday now? Compared with back in the 70s when there was fucking battalions of them.
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There has been efficiency but that has also added to the problem not solved it.
The defence do not have to do any work, the police do. Look at the Giggs trial. It was two minor assaults but because of this stupid coercion charge they had to gather phone records, wattsapp videos statements from hotels, restaurants, 100's of hours went into what used to be a victim statement, doctors statement, arresting and interviewing officers statement.
 
And yet when my sister was (wrongly, I might add) suspected of blackmailing someone, literally about 8 or 9 of them turned up at her house in the morning in 3 or 4 cars. For a single woman living on her own in a posh suburb.

1 would have done.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Slightly unrelated (I really do hope!) is that there is wholesale "cheating" going on in the NHS with doctors surgeries.

For example, at my local surgery, there are around 15 GPs. None of them - and I mean that literally - none of them, work more than 3 days per week. You can check it on the publicly viewable roster. It might 3 full days, or maybe 2 full and 2 half days. You get the picture. 3 days total, max. And yet they receive full GPs pay.

When questioned about this, the response is that they do their full 40 hours on the 3 days. This is a lie. If you go past the surgery at 07:00 there are no cars in the staff car park. Ditto 8pm at night. No-one is doing 13 hour days.

I seriously hope this is not a pattern in the police force where officers are basically turning up and doing bugger all, or off on some other training course about how to remove fluff from your naval.
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Same at mine always empty no patient appointments, they have a great big modern surgery but unless you phone on the dot of 8am the phone is then engaged and by the time you get through all appointments are gone,
The doctors cover several surgeries and private hospitals

The prison service used to be the same before the riots at strangeways, some of the staff covered for each other.
 
Chippy_boy said:
And what are they doing exactly?

My Mrs told me this morning about horrific situation in Chorley (I think) where kids are routinely being several beaten up - like jumping up and down on heads and kids potentially losing eyes or getting brain damage - and the police being "too busy" to do anything about it.

I know police numbers are down, but I wondered by how much, so I did a bit of Googling. Turns out there were roughly 120,000 police officers in England and Wales in the 1970's and although that number rose in between and has fallen back, there are today about 120,000 officers.

But back in the 70's we saw bobbies on the beat, routinely. Burglaries were followed up on, always. Fingerprints taken etc. Patrol cars visibly patrolling often. Local police stations existed, and were not closed due to "cuts". And they had no technology back then to help them either.

And yet nowadays, the police have all sorts of tech to help them fight crime. And they have the same numbers of police as before. So it made me think, what are they all actually doing? Is there lack of action to combat the sort of criminality described above actually more political by them, sending out a message saying "we need more resources", rather than an actual lack of resources, perhaps? The police say they are overstretched and can't cope. Overstretched on what?
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They ran the story on last nights tea time news and the footage was horrific to say the least. Kids taking beatings (as you described above) and as equally sickening are the bastards who record it and post it on social media.

The mothers of the victims were keen for the footage to be shown to highlight this cancer and they have taken to patrolling the park where it was regularly occurring to try and ensure safety for the kids.

The mothers reported that the police failed to turn up when 999 had been called.

Shocking state of affairs
 
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Kirkstall Blue said:
It was on TV yesterday a horrific situation the same gang going round beating up local youngsters, 11 yr old’s and the police ignoring it
I don’t know why they can’t act it’s wrong if your children can’t go to school or play out for fear of being beaten up. It’s not just a thump either it’s kicking and the police say it’s not brain damage so they can’t act.
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That statement is unforgiveable and an absolute disgrace
 
mosssideblue said:
The mothers of the victims were keen for the footage to be shown to highlight this cancer and they have taken to patrolling the park where it was regularly occurring to try and ensure safety for the kids.
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Well here's another issue. Perhaps it was more the case back then that it wasn't the police doing it half the time. Even when I was a kid in the 90s, I remember this sort of shit being sorted out between the parents. Nowadays, we've got schools calling the police because they suspect a bit of weed. A lot is made of the cuts to police in the last 12 years, but it's worth mentioning the cuts to all sorts of other things designed to support young people and prevent them from growing into little scrotes.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Well here's another issue. Perhaps it was more the case back then that it wasn't the police doing it half the time. Even when I was a kid in the 90s, I remember this sort of shit being sorted out between the parents. Nowadays, we've got schools calling the police because they suspect a bit of weed. A lot is made of the cuts to police in the last 12 years, but it's worth mentioning the cuts to all sorts of other things designed to support young people and prevent them from growing into little scrotes.
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When we were kids, there was nothing but respect and fear of the bobby on the beat and in those days, they used to dish out "clips behind the ear" regularly
 
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