Where have all the police gone?

bert38 said:
Read my post. Edit-i note you did..

How do frontline officers respond to burglaries, thefts etc if those same officers are committed with mental health patients, missing persons (see mental health), suicidal people (see mental health), vulnerable prisoners (see mental health) and all the other stuff that in a fully invested public service other providers would pick up or stop from reaching that point in the first place.

There isn't a never ending pot of officers. I think you'd be alarmed at the number of officers covering your area on a busy afters or nights shift.

Patel calling for police to return to basics conveniently removes herself from the actual problem. They are the cause of this. I can assure you police want to deal with crime.
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To add on to what you said, depending on locality especially in bigger cities, an officer just beginning his or her shift may well have tens of calls for service left over from the last shift which need to be responded to at some point before they have even hit the streets.

For those who wonder why it may take hours or a day for the police to show up to take a theft report or because their home was burgled that is often why.

Is the burglar still there? That is a different story. You'll likely get an immediate response. However, going round to take a report will come second or third to someone who is immediately in distress or danger.
 
Chippy_boy said:
And what are they doing exactly?

My Mrs told me this morning about horrific situation in Chorley (I think) where kids are routinely being several beaten up - like jumping up and down on heads and kids potentially losing eyes or getting brain damage - and the police being "too busy" to do anything about it.

I know police numbers are down, but I wondered by how much, so I did a bit of Googling. Turns out there were roughly 120,000 police officers in England and Wales in the 1970's and although that number rose in between and has fallen back, there are today about 120,000 officers.

But back in the 70's we saw bobbies on the beat, routinely. Burglaries were followed up on, always. Fingerprints taken etc. Patrol cars visibly patrolling often. Local police stations existed, and were not closed due to "cuts". And they had no technology back then to help them either.

And yet nowadays, the police have all sorts of tech to help them fight crime. And they have the same numbers of police as before. So it made me think, what are they all actually doing? Is there lack of action to combat the sort of criminality described above actually more political by them, sending out a message saying "we need more resources", rather than an actual lack of resources, perhaps? The police say they are overstretched and can't cope. Overstretched on what?
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The world was such a different place back then and you mustn't view it through the old rose tints. There was plenty of crime and plenty of that went unpunished - also the attitude to some crimes was different. Then there is the types of crime - lots of on-line stuff now that never existed then. That has to be monitored.
Shutting local stations took them off the beat - you can't expect a Police Officer to walk 15 miles just to get to the start point of their beat.
Expectations of the Police have damaged the reputation too - just because you can't see them doesn't mean they aren't working. The decimation of social services means many emergency calls are ones that should be routed to social care or the ambulance services but they have been savaged by cuts too.
All the references to Bobbies in rainbow coloured helmets or dancing the macarena are culture wars being shilled by the Tory press machine to distract you from the ramifications of 12 years of cuts.
 
Inter Me Nan said:
My lad starts secondary school on Monday and he's a mild mannered lad, I've told him if anybody starts on him to tell them my dad will be at the school gate with a baseball bat to end them.
Only way to sort the fucking cunts.
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Absolutely spot on. Only language those cunts understand is a twatting and their fucking Dad can have one as well for raising a little shit.
 
bluethrunthru said:
The world was such a different place back then and you mustn't view it through the old rose tints. There was plenty of crime and plenty of that went unpunished - also the attitude to some crimes was different. Then there is the types of crime - lots of on-line stuff now that never existed then. That has to be monitored.
Shutting local stations took them off the beat - you can't expect a Police Officer to walk 15 miles just to get to the start point of their beat.
Expectations of the Police have damaged the reputation too - just because you can't see them doesn't mean they aren't working. The decimation of social services means many emergency calls are ones that should be routed to social care or the ambulance services but they have been savaged by cuts too.
All the references to Bobbies in rainbow coloured helmets or dancing the macarena are culture wars being shilled by the Tory press machine to distract you from the ramifications of 12 years of cuts.
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Well that may all be true, but unfortunately a majority voted for it. Repeatedly.

Tired of the endless Labour stealth taxes and crashed economy in 2010, Labour got kicked out in favour of the Tories and the Tory cuts. And if that was a fluke, they then voted for it again. And again. And again.

The problem is that far too many people are quick to moan about cuts, and yet when asked to PERSONALLY pay more to avoid the cuts, then suddenly they whistle, look skywards and scuttle off. People are, in the main, tightwads.

They are all for more money being spent, so long as it isn't THEIR money.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Well that may all be true, but unfortunately a majority voted for it. Repeatedly.

Tired of the endless Labour stealth taxes and crashed economy in 2010, Labour got kicked out in favour of the Tories and the Tory cuts. And if that was a fluke, they then voted for it again. And again. And again.

The problem is that far too many people are quick to moan about cuts, and yet when asked to PERSONALLY pay more to avoid the cuts, then suddenly they whistle, look skywards and scuttle off. People are, in the main, tightwads.

They are all for more money being spent, so long as it isn't THEIR money.
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That should be put on the side of a Tory bus...................they are the one's who like to hide the cash after all
 
Inter Me Nan said:
My lad starts secondary school on Monday and he's a mild mannered lad, I've told him if anybody starts on him to tell them my dad will be at the school gate with a baseball bat to end them.
Only way to sort the fucking cunts.
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Too soft mate. Should get yourself a noose and hang the little bastards from the nearest tree.
 
The days of Z cars and dixon of dock green are long gone and thank God looking at the state of the houses in those days.

Things weren't great in the old days either.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I agree it was a good post, but cuts absolutely have NOT decimated the police. Putting aside the pedantic point that decimated means reduced by 90%, there's more active police officers in the force today, with more resources, than for most of the time over the past 50 years. Yes, the numbers are slightly reduced compared to the peak in 2010, but to say they are "decimated" is nonsense.

Hence my opening post of "where are they???"
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The clue is in the word decimation mate. It derives from a form of Roman military discipline in which every tenth man was executed by his cohort. Hence my definition is correct, 1 in 10.

GMP went from 8148 down to 6237 that's decimation mate, its over 20%.

Speaking to two very good friends who rose to top positions in GMP and one just retired and one still there. We meet regularly, the major problem they say is the reduction of not only 2000 coppers but support staff. Throw in a malfunctioning computer, poor leadership and technically savvy crooks and its trouble. However they both agree the main problem has been the decimation of police numbers.
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kismet said:
The clue is in the word decimation mate. It derives from a form of Roman military discipline in which every tenth man was executed by his cohort. Hence my definition is correct, 1 in 10.

GMP went from 8148 down to 6237 that's decimation mate, its over 20%.

Speaking to two very good friends who rose to top positions in GMP and one just retired and one still there. We meet regularly, the major problem they say is the reduction of not only 2000 coppers but support staff. Throw in a malfunctioning computer, poor leadership and technically savvy crooks and its trouble. However they both agree the main problem has been the decimation of police numbers.
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I stand corrected. I had remembered it wrongly (obviously).
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
6 feet for me!
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Elephantiasis is an awful disease.

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Inter Me Nan said:
My lad starts secondary school on Monday and he's a mild mannered lad, I've told him if anybody starts on him to tell them my dad will be at the school gate with a baseball bat to end them.
Only way to sort the fucking cunts.
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Pfft, they'll just get out their machetes or AK-47's.
That's what i read in the papers anyway
 
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