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blueyorkie

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I find the bickering and irrational tripe I have read even more depressing. Everyone from the injured players, to the tea lady and other fans seem to be copping it,its at times like this we should be pulling together and getting behind the team.
I'm not a great fan of Hughes but I think we could be making a serious mistake by dispensing with his services in the next few weeks. I believe that the club has a plan to review his position after the end of the season, this is based upon the fact that any targets that they have in mind won't be available until then. If we were to fire Hughes what would we do in the meantime? Who would step in as a temporary manager?
Furthermore all the planning for the January transfer window has been done with Hughes at the helm and we know what a folly it is for a manager to inherit new players who he hasn't chosen. I hope that the Club keeps its nerve more than some of the people on the message boards.
 
top top post, sensible and being able to look past ones nose and see the bigger picture under hughes, i for one hope he gets the full season and a chance to work with his own players. its a fact of life not everyone will get on with everyone, and if hughes and some of his players are not on good terms, get rid of the players.
 
blueyorkie said:
I find the bickering and irrational tripe I have read even more depressing. Everyone from the injured players, to the tea lady and other fans seem to be copping it,its at times like this we should be pulling together and getting behind the team.
I'm not a great fan of Hughes but I think we could be making a serious mistake by dispensing with his services in the next few weeks. I believe that the club has a plan to review his position after the end of the season, this is based upon the fact that any targets that they have in mind won't be available until then. If we were to fire Hughes what would we do in the meantime? Who would step in as a temporary manager?
Furthermore all the planning for the January transfer window has been done with Hughes at the helm and we know what a folly it is for a manager to inherit new players who he hasn't chosen. I hope that the Club keeps its nerve more than some of the people on the message boards.
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I remember similar things being said when alan ball was in charge.

We kept being told we had a team of troublemakers and lazy bastards we had to get rid off... the chairman guaranteed him his job for the full season... he assued us relegation was not a serious issue... just remind me what happened then?

Like Blackburn, Spurs and Sunderland have shown, sometimes the boardroom has to bite the bullet and make critical decisions.

To not sack Hughes is a very brave decision. Let's hope they call it better than Franny did all those years ago.
 
Premiership survival is paramount
Premiership survival is paramount
Premiership survival is paramount
Premiership survival is paramount
Premiership survival is paramount
Premiership survival is paramount

at this moment in time, Hughes/Stability/Transfers are not.

We could be rock bottom very soon.

He has to go, like it or not.
 
Of course this is the right approach. Whoever comes in, Vassell, Benjani, Dunne, etc are still going to be shit.

In Sven's last 18 games we only got one more point than we've got in Hughes first 18 yet most of us wanted Sven to be given another season. Hughes has a good record with Blackburn & Wales and we've got too many players that have lived in a culture of mediocrity for too long and can't or don't want to change.
 
blueyorkie said:
I find the bickering and irrational tripe I have read even more depressing. Everyone from the injured players, to the tea lady and other fans seem to be copping it,its at times like this we should be pulling together and getting behind the team.
I'm not a great fan of Hughes but I think we could be making a serious mistake by dispensing with his services in the next few weeks. I believe that the club has a plan to review his position after the end of the season, this is based upon the fact that any targets that they have in mind won't be available until then. If we were to fire Hughes what would we do in the meantime? Who would step in as a temporary manager?
Furthermore all the planning for the January transfer window has been done with Hughes at the helm and we know what a folly it is for a manager to inherit new players who he hasn't chosen. I hope that the Club keeps its nerve more than some of the people on the message boards.
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top post.

can you imagine a new manager coming in and thinking that he can get better out of the players that we have and then finding out mid february that actually it wasn't sven or marks fault. hughes has a decent reputation in the transfer market, lets give him a full window with plenty of cash to see what else he can do.
 
blueyorkie wrote:
I find the bickering and irrational tripe I have read even more depressing. Everyone from the injured players, to the tea lady and other fans seem to be copping it,its at times like this we should be pulling together and getting behind the team.
I'm not a great fan of Hughes but I think we could be making a serious mistake by dispensing with his services in the next few weeks. I believe that the club has a plan to review his position after the end of the season, this is based upon the fact that any targets that they have in mind won't be available until then. If we were to fire Hughes what would we do in the meantime? Who would step in as a temporary manager?
Furthermore all the planning for the January transfer window has been done with Hughes at the helm and we know what a folly it is for a manager to inherit new players who he hasn't chosen. I hope that the Club keeps its nerve more than some of the people on the message boards.
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I agree with the blueyorkie completely. We have been shite recently. But the performances against Pompey, Arsenal etc show that we are not completely useless. I hope that we dont sack Hughes before he has a chance to bed in the transfer window players. If it doesnt work out. Then at least their can be no excuses from Hughes.
 
RobbieBrewer said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
How can you compare Hughes with Ball? Hughes's teams have punched above their weight whereas Ball took every team he managed down.
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Hughes has never managed a club of the size and expectancy level of City,
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You mean a club where we expect to be in the top 4 despite 30 years of shit managers and useless owners just because we've been owned by a wealthy individual for 12 hours of the last transfer window?

RobbieBrewer said:
or managed players of ability and noteriety-unless you count the sublime skills of Robbie Savage,Lucas Neill and Craig Bellamy.
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And all did a job for him and Blackburn finished well above us for three seasons.

RobbieBrewer said:
And I don't want us to be the first team he "takes down."
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We won't be.
 
I can fully understand the viewpoint that Hughes needs time and has to get across his playing mentality. My main concern is the fact that Mark is coming out with endless tripe about what a hard job he has been given and how this club needed turning upside down. Basically he believes he inherited a dud squad and clearly thinks that the only way to progress is to have a massive turnover in players. I think that this shows a sense of naivety and lack of ability on his part as most managers aren't giving the luxury of being about to pick any player in the World and get them.

For me football is a very short sighted business and we need to forget all this Hughes talk about realising we need to give him time. I have not seem one tactical decision which has made me think this guy has what it takes to lift us out of this abyss. Also under Sven the players constantly came out saying what a good manager he was while the silence during Hughes reign is deafening. This shows a lack of a relationship between the players and managers and maybe why the players don't seem to be bursting a gut to get us out of this position.
 
Remember David Moyes nearly took Everton down just got out of it at the last minute Sold what was at the club before he came including (once a blue always a blue) and then finished 4th once he had his own team of players around him playing the way he wants.

We are in a Great position where we don't have to panic like many clubs. and as for Blackburn sunderland and spurs sacking managers not one of those managers had premiership or international experiance
 
blueyorkie said:
I find the bickering and irrational tripe I have read even more depressing. Everyone from the injured players, to the tea lady and other fans seem to be copping it,its at times like this we should be pulling together and getting behind the team.
I'm not a great fan of Hughes but I think we could be making a serious mistake by dispensing with his services in the next few weeks. I believe that the club has a plan to review his position after the end of the season, this is based upon the fact that any targets that they have in mind won't be available until then. If we were to fire Hughes what would we do in the meantime? Who would step in as a temporary manager?
Furthermore all the planning for the January transfer window has been done with Hughes at the helm and we know what a folly it is for a manager to inherit new players who he hasn't chosen. I hope that the Club keeps its nerve more than some of the people on the message boards.
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yeah we cant disrupt hughes jan signings








ive already got bellamy on the back of my shirt
 
Good to see a more measured approach today. yesterday I was all for sacking Hughes but then I was very disappointed at the time.

I recall David Moyes having a brush with relegation with Everton and Martin O'Neill was no great shakes in his first season with Villa. Neither of those clubs would swap their managers now. Blackburn were ropey for a while under Hughes but finshed was it 7th last year. Not bad for a club like Blackburn..

No-one os disputing on here the quality of Kompany, Zabaleta and Robinho, players bought by Hughes added to ireland, the player Hughes refused to sell.

There may well be some issues around his man management and players like Dunne and Ball and Richards amongst others appear to be under performing but then they were last year too. Prior to that we were a mid table club with those players, why would we expect them to get us into the top six now ?

I'm not the biggest Hughes fan but I do believe he should be given time to succeed or fail on his own merits. Comparisons with Ball are ridiculous and if we go down with Hughes in charge then I'll eat my hat.
 
I too would like to see what Hughes can offer. We are carrying a lot of dross that's been lingering on from previous management. Players that never really proved to be what they were touted to be.
Hughes will be making a mistake if he doesn't sell as well as buy.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Of course this is the right approach. Whoever comes in, Vassell, Benjani, Dunne, etc are still going to be shit.

In Sven's last 18 games we only got one more point than we've got in Hughes first 18 yet most of us wanted Sven to be given another season. Hughes has a good record with Blackburn & Wales and we've got too many players that have lived in a culture of mediocrity for too long and can't or don't want to change.
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There wasn't this clamour for Sven to leave because we could see that given 3 to 5 years he would take us places that only the older ones amongst us remember. And I never feared relegation.

Now I doubt that Hughes will take us to the same heights. He wasn't appointed on that basis and he does not have the track record. He is struggling to manage a decent squad and is struggling to find a system that works. Worse still he has failed to instill all those qualities that we would have expected in terms of tenacity, work-rate, grit and determination that often win close games.

I'd never have sacked Sven for Hughes in the first place personally. I'd still be espousing the be patient give him more time stance - but that was when mid-table mediocrity was the price. Now we are in a relegation fight. Forget Top 6. Forget Europe. I just want us to be still in the top flight next season so that in the summer the financial muscle can really be brought to bear. We have got worse and this man may take us down. Look at the table. Look at the form. Look at the morale. Look at the performances. I am all for patience but not at the expense of our top flight status.

Faith lost. Happy Christmas.
 
gp10 said:
I too would like to see what Hughes can offer. We are carrying a lot of dross that's been lingering on from previous management. Players that never really proved to be what they were touted to be.
Hughes will be making a mistake if he doesn't sell as well as buy.
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That "dross" as you call it were actually ninth in the Prem table last season!
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
How can you compare Hughes with Ball? Hughes's teams have punched above their weight whereas Ball took every team he managed down.
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That's not true. He kept Pompey up,,, the season we went down!

And i think the analogy with ball is fair. He too constantly looked for scapegoats and NEVER once thought it was his fault.

I'd heard bally speak at fans' do's on many occasions, and he talked a great game.

Unfoirtunately, most of the players thought he was a joke.
 
barney8 said:
gp10 said:
I too would like to see what Hughes can offer. We are carrying a lot of dross that's been lingering on from previous management. Players that never really proved to be what they were touted to be.
Hughes will be making a mistake if he doesn't sell as well as buy.
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That "dross" as you call it were actually ninth in the Prem table last season!
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And fourth by christmas!
 
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