White Pride Worldwide Day 28th March

[Rascal]

And you are in the say nothing camp.
Please give us an example of communism that a) has operated in any way other than totalitarianism, b) Has produced lasting prosperity for it's citizens. I'm perfectly aware that the states listed are totalitarian, however, none of them profess to be fascist, they all announced themselves as communist, with the usual addition of 'Socialist peoples republic.' You have blithely stated that they are not, suggesting that you know of a brand of communism that exists that does not conform to this philosophy of subjugation and the suppression of free speech. Let's just put to one side the separate issue of Socialism, for this exercise.
Or just give us another one liner dismissing it all.

A) Communism....the clue is in the name. Commune. As in all together with equal voice. True democracy. Totalitarian regimes can never be whatever they profess to be, that is classed as Communist/Socialist republics. So the only answer is the Rojava area of Kurdistan, which through Socialist guiding principles is democratic and is fighting the IS fascists. You will not see Rojava reported in the western press as succesful Socialist areas are anathema to Capitalist values.

B) see answer A



It appears you believe in some sort of Macarthyite "reds under the bed" mythical world were all commies are bad and want to ban everything and install slavery onto the world. Its no wonder the Macarthyites started there subjugation of the Left as its anti capitalist and does not fit the free market nutjobbery we have today.

So for the sake of this thread the UAF who are a mixture of Socialists and Communists believe in Democracy but not in capitalism, the far right Fascists believe in Totalitarianism, the subjugation of free speech and demonisation of minorities.

Lucky 13 believes Libertarianism only exists on the right of politics as in that form it frees the individual, but i am of the Libertarian Left which believes that the freedom of the collective can achieve more than any individual. The libertarians of the right and left are probably wider apart ideologically than the totalitarians of the left and right, yet both believe in freedom not authoritarianism.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

And you are in the say nothing camp.
Please give us an example of communism that a) has operated in any way other than totalitarianism, b) Has produced lasting prosperity for it's citizens. I'm perfectly aware that the states listed are totalitarian, however, none of them profess to be fascist, they all announced themselves as communist, with the usual addition of 'Socialist peoples republic.' You have blithely stated that they are not, suggesting that you know of a brand of communism that exists that does not conform to this philosophy of subjugation and the suppression of free speech. Let's just put to one side the separate issue of Socialism, for this exercise.
Or just give us another one liner dismissing it all.

A) Communism....the clue is in the name. Commune. As in all together with equal voice. True democracy. Totalitarian regimes can never be whatever they profess to be, that is classed as Communist/Socialist republics. So the only answer is the Rojava area of Kurdistan, which through Socialist guiding principles is democratic and is fighting the IS fascists. You will not see Rojava reported in the western press as succesful Socialist areas are anathema to Capitalist values.

B) see answer A



It appears you believe in some sort of Macarthyite "reds under the bed" mythical world were all commies are bad and want to ban everything and install slavery onto the world. Its no wonder the Macarthyites started there subjugation of the Left as its anti capitalist and does not fit the free market nutjobbery we have today.

So for the sake of this thread the UAF who are a mixture of Socialists and Communists believe in Democracy but not in capitalism, the far right Fascists believe in Totalitarianism, the subjugation of free speech and demonisation of minorities.

Lucky 13 believes Libertarianism only exists on the right of politics as in that form it frees the individual, but i am of the Libertarian Left which believes that the freedom of the collective can achieve more than any individual. The libertarians of the right and left are probably wider apart ideologically than the totalitarians of the left and right, yet both believe in freedom not authoritarianism.

The reason I and most others believe communism to be bad, is for exactly the reasons you have stated, namely, everywhere it has been implemented has resulted in a nightmare scenario, because your idea of some happy-clappy commune has never, and will never, work.
The nature of it's structure and ideology precludes it from becoming what you wish for, although I'll examine this obscure state you have mentioned and form an opinion as to whether this truly is Shangri-La, although I've not heard of millions of the world's disadvantaged citing Rojava as the go-to place for equality and prosperity.
I do not think, as you state, that all commies are bad, you come across as a decent chap with caring qualities, but I do believe that the system proved to the world some time ago that it was a political philosophy that is badly flawed, and that the fall of the Eastern Bloc, has ensured that it will die out. Cuba and China have now become more pragmatic and it will, I think be replaced peacefully.

 

[Rascal]

And you are in the say nothing camp.
Please give us an example of communism that a) has operated in any way other than totalitarianism, b) Has produced lasting prosperity for it's citizens. I'm perfectly aware that the states listed are totalitarian, however, none of them profess to be fascist, they all announced themselves as communist, with the usual addition of 'Socialist peoples republic.' You have blithely stated that they are not, suggesting that you know of a brand of communism that exists that does not conform to this philosophy of subjugation and the suppression of free speech. Let's just put to one side the separate issue of Socialism, for this exercise.
Or just give us another one liner dismissing it all.

A) Communism....the clue is in the name. Commune. As in all together with equal voice. True democracy. Totalitarian regimes can never be whatever they profess to be, that is classed as Communist/Socialist republics. So the only answer is the Rojava area of Kurdistan, which through Socialist guiding principles is democratic and is fighting the IS fascists. You will not see Rojava reported in the western press as succesful Socialist areas are anathema to Capitalist values.

B) see answer A



It appears you believe in some sort of Macarthyite "reds under the bed" mythical world were all commies are bad and want to ban everything and install slavery onto the world. Its no wonder the Macarthyites started there subjugation of the Left as its anti capitalist and does not fit the free market nutjobbery we have today.

So for the sake of this thread the UAF who are a mixture of Socialists and Communists believe in Democracy but not in capitalism, the far right Fascists believe in Totalitarianism, the subjugation of free speech and demonisation of minorities.

Lucky 13 believes Libertarianism only exists on the right of politics as in that form it frees the individual, but i am of the Libertarian Left which believes that the freedom of the collective can achieve more than any individual. The libertarians of the right and left are probably wider apart ideologically than the totalitarians of the left and right, yet both believe in freedom not authoritarianism.

The reason I and most others believe communism to be bad, is for exactly the reasons you have stated, namely, everywhere it has been implemented has resulted in a nightmare scenario, because your idea of some happy-clappy commune has never, and will never, work.
The nature of it's structure and ideology precludes it from becoming what you wish for, although I'll examine this obscure state you have mentioned and form an opinion as to whether this truly is Shangri-La, although I've not heard of millions of the world's disadvantaged citing Rojava as the go-to place for equality and prosperity.
I do not think, as you state, that all commies are bad, you come across as a decent chap with caring qualities, but I do believe that the system proved to the world some time ago that it was a political philosophy that is badly flawed, and that the fall of the Eastern Bloc, has ensured that it will die out. Cuba and China have now become more pragmatic and it will, I think be replaced peacefully.

Communism as envisaged by Marx and Engles has never been implememted...that is my point. Communism is the most democratic form of government you can possibly have, it is totally anti authoritarian.

Please stop confusing those states that the west call Communist, they are not, they are Dictatorships, which is one of the worst sins against communism.

The Eastern bloc was closer to Nazism than it was Marxism.

 

[Lucky13]

And you are in the say nothing camp.
Please give us an example of communism that a) has operated in any way other than totalitarianism, b) Has produced lasting prosperity for it's citizens. I'm perfectly aware that the states listed are totalitarian, however, none of them profess to be fascist, they all announced themselves as communist, with the usual addition of 'Socialist peoples republic.' You have blithely stated that they are not, suggesting that you know of a brand of communism that exists that does not conform to this philosophy of subjugation and the suppression of free speech. Let's just put to one side the separate issue of Socialism, for this exercise.
Or just give us another one liner dismissing it all.

A) Communism....the clue is in the name. Commune. As in all together with equal voice. True democracy. Totalitarian regimes can never be whatever they profess to be, that is classed as Communist/Socialist republics. So the only answer is the Rojava area of Kurdistan, which through Socialist guiding principles is democratic and is fighting the IS fascists. You will not see Rojava reported in the western press as succesful Socialist areas are anathema to Capitalist values.

B) see answer A



It appears you believe in some sort of Macarthyite "reds under the bed" mythical world were all commies are bad and want to ban everything and install slavery onto the world. Its no wonder the Macarthyites started there subjugation of the Left as its anti capitalist and does not fit the free market nutjobbery we have today.

So for the sake of this thread the UAF who are a mixture of Socialists and Communists believe in Democracy but not in capitalism, the far right Fascists believe in Totalitarianism, the subjugation of free speech and demonisation of minorities.

Lucky 13 believes Libertarianism only exists on the right of politics as in that form it frees the individual, but i am of the Libertarian Left which believes that the freedom of the collective can achieve more than any individual. The libertarians of the right and left are probably wider apart ideologically than the totalitarians of the left and right, yet both believe in freedom not authoritarianism.

The reason I and most others believe communism to be bad, is for exactly the reasons you have stated, namely, everywhere it has been implemented has resulted in a nightmare scenario, because your idea of some happy-clappy commune has never, and will never, work.
The nature of it's structure and ideology precludes it from becoming what you wish for, although I'll examine this obscure state you have mentioned and form an opinion as to whether this truly is Shangri-La, although I've not heard of millions of the world's disadvantaged citing Rojava as the go-to place for equality and prosperity.
I do not think, as you state, that all commies are bad, you come across as a decent chap with caring qualities, but I do believe that the system proved to the world some time ago that it was a political philosophy that is badly flawed, and that the fall of the Eastern Bloc, has ensured that it will die out. Cuba and China have now become more pragmatic and it will, I think be replaced peacefully.

Some good points in these posts, I visited Cuba this year and came away with positive thoughts about their form of Communism,despite it being relatively poor ,you have free schooling , Universities and Health Care and watching your local Baseball team for £2
, it was a fantastic experience and would recommend a visit.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

A) Communism....the clue is in the name. Commune. As in all together with equal voice. True democracy. Totalitarian regimes can never be whatever they profess to be, that is classed as Communist/Socialist republics. So the only answer is the Rojava area of Kurdistan, which through Socialist guiding principles is democratic and is fighting the IS fascists. You will not see Rojava reported in the western press as succesful Socialist areas are anathema to Capitalist values.

B) see answer A



It appears you believe in some sort of Macarthyite "reds under the bed" mythical world were all commies are bad and want to ban everything and install slavery onto the world. Its no wonder the Macarthyites started there subjugation of the Left as its anti capitalist and does not fit the free market nutjobbery we have today.

So for the sake of this thread the UAF who are a mixture of Socialists and Communists believe in Democracy but not in capitalism, the far right Fascists believe in Totalitarianism, the subjugation of free speech and demonisation of minorities.

Lucky 13 believes Libertarianism only exists on the right of politics as in that form it frees the individual, but i am of the Libertarian Left which believes that the freedom of the collective can achieve more than any individual. The libertarians of the right and left are probably wider apart ideologically than the totalitarians of the left and right, yet both believe in freedom not authoritarianism.

The reason I and most others believe communism to be bad, is for exactly the reasons you have stated, namely, everywhere it has been implemented has resulted in a nightmare scenario, because your idea of some happy-clappy commune has never, and will never, work.
The nature of it's structure and ideology precludes it from becoming what you wish for, although I'll examine this obscure state you have mentioned and form an opinion as to whether this truly is Shangri-La, although I've not heard of millions of the world's disadvantaged citing Rojava as the go-to place for equality and prosperity.
I do not think, as you state, that all commies are bad, you come across as a decent chap with caring qualities, but I do believe that the system proved to the world some time ago that it was a political philosophy that is badly flawed, and that the fall of the Eastern Bloc, has ensured that it will die out. Cuba and China have now become more pragmatic and it will, I think be replaced peacefully.

Communism as envisaged by Marx and Engles has never been implememted...that is my point. Communism is the most democratic form of government you can possibly have, it is totally anti authoritarian.

Please stop confusing those states that the west call Communist, they are not, they are Dictatorships, which is one of the worst sins against communism.

The Eastern bloc was closer to Nazism than it was Marxism.

The reason why the original concept by Marx has never been implemented is because the original concept is flawed, it was always open to the kind of psychopathic fruitcakes who adopt 'The People' as their mantra.
What you are espousing, however, I have no problem with whatsoever. If nirvana is being experienced in this obscure Eastern European state, I'll be on the streets with the rest of them.
Including the UAF.

 

[totallywired]

The reason I and most others believe communism to be bad, is for exactly the reasons you have stated, namely, everywhere it has been implemented has resulted in a nightmare scenario, because your idea of some happy-clappy commune has never, and will never, work.
The nature of it's structure and ideology precludes it from becoming what you wish for, although I'll examine this obscure state you have mentioned and form an opinion as to whether this truly is Shangri-La, although I've not heard of millions of the world's disadvantaged citing Rojava as the go-to place for equality and prosperity.
I do not think, as you state, that all commies are bad, you come across as a decent chap with caring qualities, but I do believe that the system proved to the world some time ago that it was a political philosophy that is badly flawed, and that the fall of the Eastern Bloc, has ensured that it will die out. Cuba and China have now become more pragmatic and it will, I think be replaced peacefully.

Communism as envisaged by Marx and Engles has never been implememted...that is my point. Communism is the most democratic form of government you can possibly have, it is totally anti authoritarian.

Please stop confusing those states that the west call Communist, they are not, they are Dictatorships, which is one of the worst sins against communism.

The Eastern bloc was closer to Nazism than it was Marxism.

The reason why the original concept by Marx has never been implemented is because the original concept is flawed, it was always open to the kind of psychopathic fruitcakes who adopt 'The People' as their mantra.
What you are espousing, however, I have no problem with whatsoever. If nirvana is being experienced in this obscure Eastern European state, I'll be on the streets with the rest of them.
Including the UAF.

They wouldn`t want your type.

 

[malg]

Fuck me, this thread has taken a trip into 'left field'.......

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Communism as envisaged by Marx and Engles has never been implememted...that is my point. Communism is the most democratic form of government you can possibly have, it is totally anti authoritarian.

Please stop confusing those states that the west call Communist, they are not, they are Dictatorships, which is one of the worst sins against communism.

The Eastern bloc was closer to Nazism than it was Marxism.

The reason why the original concept by Marx has never been implemented is because the original concept is flawed, it was always open to the kind of psychopathic fruitcakes who adopt 'The People' as their mantra.
What you are espousing, however, I have no problem with whatsoever. If nirvana is being experienced in this obscure Eastern European state, I'll be on the streets with the rest of them.
Including the UAF.

They wouldn`t want your type.

I'm sure they wouldn't, I know my place.

 

[Damocles]

When many of the so called "liberals" on here say "people need protecting from something" what they actually mean is "I have decided that this isn't healthy for you and will now try to ban it".

Amazing you can even call yourselves liberals really

Whay is the line would you like a world where a sexist racist is allowed to scream abuse at a young Asian woman as it is his right to free speech. Or do you think she has the right to travel on a bus free of such behaviour?

With any freedom there is the freedom to and the freedom from and universally when you improve one of those freedoms you impinge on the opposite freedom!

We could go anarchic scrap the law and allow everyone the freedom to do anything!

The line is violent behaviour or the direct threat thereof.

This is a far simpler concept than people are making it.

 

[stonerblue]

Fuck me, this thread has taken a trip into 'left field'.......

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