Why Can't City Win Without Yaya

[Citizen in Pakistan]

That's really funny I'm sure that we beat Stoke last week................................ was Ya Ya playing in that match or did my eyes deceive me and we had eleven or so other players on the pitch because he wasn't even there!!!

City are not a one man team. Be it YaYa, Aguero or any other player. Football is a team game.

Difference at stoke was they didnt park the bus like others team did,they give it a go,and if teams do that often dino and nando would work ,our barren period was mainly because of the lack of creativity

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

That's really funny I'm sure that we beat Stoke last week................................ was Ya Ya playing in that match or did my eyes deceive me and we had eleven or so other players on the pitch because he wasn't even there!!!

City are not a one man team. Be it YaYa, Aguero or any other player. Football is a team game.

I'm under the same impression as you, EB. So that lays that myth to rest, doesn't it.

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Just wish everyone would decide which one man team we are , is it aguero or is it yaya , pretty sure it was merlin last year . If we have won 2 premierships with our one man team , can't wait to get a 2 man , or even a 3 man team , we would be world beaters

 

[chesterbells]

That's really funny I'm sure that we beat Stoke last week................................ was Ya Ya playing in that match or did my eyes deceive me and we had eleven or so other players on the pitch because he wasn't even there!!!

City are not a one man team. Be it YaYa, Aguero or any other player. Football is a team game.

As I'm sure most posters will appreciate, and I'm sure you do too, OP wasnt really saying we could never win with Toure out of the team, but actually making the point it was more difficult. One win against Stoke doesn't mean there isnt a point here

 

[lasereyes]

That's really funny I'm sure that we beat Stoke last week................................ was Ya Ya playing in that match or did my eyes deceive me and we had eleven or so other players on the pitch because he wasn't even there!!!

City are not a one man team. Be it YaYa, Aguero or any other player. Football is a team game.

As I'm sure most posters will appreciate, and I'm sure you do too, OP wasnt really saying we could never win with Toure out of the team, but actually making the point it was more difficult. One win against Stoke doesn't mean there isnt a point here

Well firstly that's not the title of the thread nor the OP's comment (he says "why we can't win"). And if he's merely saying it's more difficult, that's a Cybil Fawlty "bleeding obvious" comment. Take Hazard, Fabregas or Matic out of Chelsea. Duh

 

[chesterbells]

That's really funny I'm sure that we beat Stoke last week................................ was Ya Ya playing in that match or did my eyes deceive me and we had eleven or so other players on the pitch because he wasn't even there!!!

City are not a one man team. Be it YaYa, Aguero or any other player. Football is a team game.

As I'm sure most posters will appreciate, and I'm sure you do too, OP wasnt really saying we could never win with Toure out of the team, but actually making the point it was more difficult. One win against Stoke doesn't mean there isnt a point here

Well firstly that's not the title of the thread nor the OP's comment (he says "why we can't win"). And if he's merely saying it's more difficult, that's a Cybil Fawlty "bleeding obvious" comment. Take Hazard, Fabregas or Matic out of Chelsea. Duh

The OP can speak for themselves, but I'd still maintain my view; people who start threads generally want them to be seen & read don't they, and this title certainly did that; there's no need to check the wording so it's legally watertight. And taking out the Stoke result, or even including it, the overall message from Toure's absence is that we missed him badly. I've no idea whether when Chelsea miss Fabregas for example for the same length of time it has as much negative impact for them - if you're telling me it does, then fair enough

 

[rapidCT]

I wouldn t say that we cannot win without Yaya but we surely need an world class box-to-box midfielder in the team. If we had any of Schweinsteiger, Vidal, Pogba, Modric, Koke, Kroos,etc instead of Fernando than we would surely be ahead of chelsea now.

 

[NorwegianTruBlue]

That's really funny I'm sure that we beat Stoke last week................................ was Ya Ya playing in that match or did my eyes deceive me and we had eleven or so other players on the pitch because he wasn't even there!!!

City are not a one man team. Be it YaYa, Aguero or any other player. Football is a team game.

As I'm sure most posters will appreciate, and I'm sure you do too, OP wasnt really saying we could never win with Toure out of the team, but actually making the point it was more difficult. One win against Stoke doesn't mean there isnt a point here

Well firstly that's not the title of the thread nor the OP's comment (he says "why we can't win"). And if he's merely saying it's more difficult, that's a Cybil Fawlty "bleeding obvious" comment. Take Hazard, Fabregas or Matic out of Chelsea. Duh

it isnt that obvious tho. Take hazard, fabregas or matic out and Chelski will still perform fairly well, against smaller teams at least. City without Aguero (better than Hazard) and Silva (better than Cesc) is still a City than can cope has they have proven, its when Yaya out we struggle. Its all about the system and yaya is too instrumental with no plan b when hes out. Its easier to replace a world class striker with a good striker rather than replace a beast of a man with good technicue and vision with fernando in the middle of the park

 

[blueplan]

Isn't it obvious that we can win without Yaya.
Teams parked their buses with or without Yaya as shown recently @SB.

They realized our flaw. Which is as I pointed problem/solution lie in
<a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=242452&start=1260" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=242452&start=1260</a>

 

[BlueAnorak]

Isn't it obvious that we can win without Yaya.
Teams parked their buses with or without Yaya as shown recently @SB.

They realized our flaw. Which is as I pointed problem/solution lie in
<a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=242452&start=1260" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=242452&start=1260</a>

You already said it previously in this thread and nobody bit. Well I am now.
- Changing Hart will do feck all to change the woeful defending in front of the GK.
- Changing Hart will do feck all to improve Fernando the clueless.
- Changing Hart will do feck all to change the fact that no player other than Yaya regularly shots from range.
- Changing Hart will do feck all to change the fact that no player other than Yaya regularly runs at the heart of the opposition defence.
- Changing Hart will do feck all to improve our full back personnel.
- Changing Hart will do feck all to address our home grown squad issues.
These are the SIX major reasons that nobody bit.
There are at least four other reasons which I can't be arsed posting.
Changing Hart is thus WAY down the list.
(Number six is very important BTW and won't be solved unless the academy starts to produce in the very near future.)

 

[blueplan]

Isn't it obvious that we can win without Yaya.
Teams parked their buses with or without Yaya as shown recently @SB.

They realized our flaw. Which is as I pointed problem/solution lie in
<a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=242452&start=1260" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=242452&start=1260</a>

You already said it previously in this thread and nobody bit. Well I am now.
- Changing Hart will do feck all to change the woeful defending in front of the GK.
- Changing Hart will do feck all to improve Fernando the clueless.
- Changing Hart will do feck all to change the fact that no player other than Yaya regularly shots from range.
- Changing Hart will do feck all to change the fact that no player other than Yaya regularly runs at the heart of the opposition defence.
- Changing Hart will do feck all to improve our full back personnel.
- Changing Hart will do feck all to address our home grown squad issues.
These are the SIX major reasons that nobody bit.
There are at least three or four other reasons but 6 is enough to show why changing Hart is WAY down the list.

Well I dare say we can win without Yaya
-We have a great Defense (VK, DM, Zab, Clichy, incl. Mangala, Sagna & AK)
-We need to have a Great GK that will complement our high line of winning & attacking football
- Hart needs to be up to par
-At the moment he is indecisive & his poor judgement does not complement that. He has regressed.
- He is 'mediocre' at best

"His distribution ,insistence on punching everything,, looks statuesque at times, lack of dominance of box,poor communication with defenders and often poor judgement "

Mediocrity is excellent in the eyes of mediocre people.

Great teams require great GKs.

 

[BlueAnorak]

You clearly haven't been watching our defending this season if you think our defence is good. Even with Lev Yashin in his pomp between the sticks we would struggle.
A new 1st choice keeper is WELL DOWN the list of priorities. We need to replace Willy Caballero I grant you as he's poor but again that is way down the list too.

 

[lasereyes]

As I'm sure most posters will appreciate, and I'm sure you do too, OP wasnt really saying we could never win with Toure out of the team, but actually making the point it was more difficult. One win against Stoke doesn't mean there isnt a point here

Well firstly that's not the title of the thread nor the OP's comment (he says "why we can't win"). And if he's merely saying it's more difficult, that's a Cybil Fawlty "bleeding obvious" comment. Take Hazard, Fabregas or Matic out of Chelsea. Duh

it isnt that obvious tho. Take hazard, fabregas or matic out and Chelski will still perform fairly well, against smaller teams at least. City without Aguero (better than Hazard) and Silva (better than Cesc) is still a City than can cope has they have proven, its when Yaya out we struggle. Its all about the system and yaya is too instrumental with no plan b when hes out. Its easier to replace a world class striker with a good striker rather than replace a beast of a man with good technicue and vision with fernando in the middle of the park

Not sure where you get this from, bud. Our poor run of form in Oct/Nov coincided with Silva's absence. Yaya played pretty much every game. And we beat Bayern and Roma without Yaya. Take Aguero out, and we lose miserably to Bayern.

Also, I would say our recent woes have as much or more to do with Aguero struggling after coming back from injury and Nasri being missing leaving Silva being isolated and double-teamed than Toure's absence. I'm not saying Toure being out doesn't hurt us - of course it does. But to argue that the team can't win without him is tabloid crap. Maybe (as someone suggested) the OP was just trying to draw attention to himself - in which case he succeeded. Bravo - he can die happy now.

 

[blueplan]

Well firstly that's not the title of the thread nor the OP's comment (he says "why we can't win"). And if he's merely saying it's more difficult, that's a Cybil Fawlty "bleeding obvious" comment. Take Hazard, Fabregas or Matic out of Chelsea. Duh

it isnt that obvious tho. Take hazard, fabregas or matic out and Chelski will still perform fairly well, against smaller teams at least. City without Aguero (better than Hazard) and Silva (better than Cesc) is still a City than can cope has they have proven, its when Yaya out we struggle. Its all about the system and yaya is too instrumental with no plan b when hes out. Its easier to replace a world class striker with a good striker rather than replace a beast of a man with good technicue and vision with fernando in the middle of the park

Not sure where you get this from, bud. Our poor run of form in Oct/Nov coincided with Silva's absence. Yaya played pretty much every game. And we beat Bayern and Roma without Yaya. Take Aguero out, and we lose miserably to Bayern.

Also, I would say our recent woes have as much or more to do with Aguero struggling after coming back from injury and Nasri being missing leaving Silva being isolated and double-teamed than Toure's absence. I'm not saying Toure being out doesn't hurt us - of course it does. But to argue that the team can't win without him is tabloid crap. Maybe (as someone suggested) the OP was just trying to draw attention to himself - in which case he succeeded. Bravo - he can die happy now.

Exactly. Everyone of us here is scrambling to find reasons why we can't win. When it's obvious (the stats attest to the fact) against many teams we outplayed them but end up not winning or even losing to them.
Then we start blaming perceived weaknesses in every positions. Blaming VK et al for poor or 'not 'stable defense' is a crock when we know that if a GK (who is regressing) does not inspire confidence or poor in dominating his 18 yd box the defense can be overextended especially playing a high line or offside trap.

If you play football you know that GK is the most important area to address. We can't deny that we didn't, since we have 2 top class players in every position escept GK. Who says Joe 'can't be replaced or substituted' because he is homegrown?

% saves in a match is a great indicator of GK's performances as an ELITE GK.
City @ SB ,Courtois was 80% and Hart was 50%
Yah unless its the Derby where we totally dominate Fergie & his human pylons without them firing a shot in anger. Then Joe didn't have to make a save. His record was 100% which flatters to deceive because it was his team in front of him that did the work.

Cech was replaced and still remain on the Chelsea squad fighting to redeem or to regain his no. 1 spot.
Likewise why can't Joe? He needs competition and should not be guaranteed. He will still be homegrown. Unless he wants to leave & doesn't have the bollocks to fight. He knows he won Golden Gloves because he has a world class team in front of him.

 

[TrueBlue1705]

We did OK vs Roma and bossed it vs Chelsea without him ... The stats suggest we can't do without him but I would suggest he's in decline and we need to move forward without him ..... We can only play him in big upcoming CL games in front of the two Ferns otherwise we're f*cked!!!!!!!!!!

 

[shemnel]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31429121

BBC running a 'Why have Manchester City Missed Ya Ya Toure so Much?' article. By Robbie S***ge.

Thing is, it then goes on to talk about our signings, FFP, strikers etc etc, it's basically like reading lots of threads on BM, and doesnt really talk an awful lot about Ya Ya.

I wont copy and paste as it's quite long and graphicky.

 

[Eccles Blue]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31429121

BBC running a 'Why have Manchester City Missed Ya Ya Toure so Much?' article. By Robbie S***ge.

Thing is, it then goes on to talk about our signings, FFP, strikers etc etc, it's basically like reading lots of threads on BM, and doesnt really talk an awful lot about Ya Ya.

I wont copy and paste as it's quite long and graphicky.

And it is that personage putting the boot in once again!! Just because he and Mancini (who I still admire by the way) are best friends he sticks his five penn'orth in all the time since Mancini has left us. INHO

 

[Jack Wills]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31429121

BBC running a 'Why have Manchester City Missed Ya Ya Toure so Much?' article. By Robbie S***ge.

Thing is, it then goes on to talk about our signings, FFP, strikers etc etc, it's basically like reading lots of threads on BM, and doesnt really talk an awful lot about Ya Ya.

I wont copy and paste as it's quite long and graphicky.

To be fair, pretty much everything Savage says in that article is correct. We've been fucked by Ffp in that we haven't improved the starting XI, just added to the squad while our rivals have improved theirs.

 

[Rolee]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31429121

BBC running a 'Why have Manchester City Missed Ya Ya Toure so Much?' article. By Robbie S***ge.

Thing is, it then goes on to talk about our signings, FFP, strikers etc etc, it's basically like reading lots of threads on BM, and doesnt really talk an awful lot about Ya Ya.

I wont copy and paste as it's quite long and graphicky.

To be fair, pretty much everything Savage says in that article is correct. We've been fucked by Ffp in that we haven't improved the starting XI, just added to the squad while our rivals have improved theirs.

I would say Demichelis and Fernandinho were improvements on Lescott and Barry.

 

[EllisMCFC]

Is Yaya out versus Barca or has he served his three game ban.