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Why Do We Fade Early?
- Thread starter lionheart
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ForeverCity
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We lack 90 minute concentration.
expecially when it's cold and the prima donna's are cold and just stand around
expecially when it's cold and the prima donna's are cold and just stand around
Blue Mooner
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It's quite obvious that the number of games mean that we tire late in games, fresher legs and fresher minds of teh opposition have meant that we become vulnerable late in the game.
Nelly will tell you that's because we adopt a negative approach late on I would suggest that the tiredness enables teams to come at us late in the games.
Hopefully with the fixture congestion out of the way we will see this effect less and less.
Nelly will tell you that's because we adopt a negative approach late on I would suggest that the tiredness enables teams to come at us late in the games.
Hopefully with the fixture congestion out of the way we will see this effect less and less.
Bah, I pointed this out in December and was told that I was wrong and that I should die (ok, I made that last bit up).
We start slowly usually because of the teams playing us rather than anything to do with us. They attack for the first 15 minutes as much as possible to try and gain a one goal advantage before sticking their ten men behind the ball if it is still 0-0.
They defend in the last 15 minutes, usually because we haven't managed to break them down and they are going for a draw so it's back to the walls.
We start slowly usually because of the teams playing us rather than anything to do with us. They attack for the first 15 minutes as much as possible to try and gain a one goal advantage before sticking their ten men behind the ball if it is still 0-0.
They defend in the last 15 minutes, usually because we haven't managed to break them down and they are going for a draw so it's back to the walls.
When we're behind in games and there are like 8/5/3 minutes to go, I never even feel like we'll snatch a late goal and am always (disappointingly) proven right. Much like when we have a corner or free kick in their half (non-shooting range) I'm rarely psyched because 9 times out of 10 we completely waste them (though our corners have improved slightly lately with Micah getting on the end of some).
King Geedorah
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Has anyone else ever noticed the lull in games?
Generally between 25-45 minutes in the first half and 50-70 minutes in the second half. Neither team is running on the adrenanline of the whistle nor is their hand forced by the clock ticking. If I'm watching as a neutral game this is usually when I start to do other things like post on here.
I think Mancini has identified this as the easiest possible time to win a football match. If we can ride out the other periods and win this period we win the game. The problems come when we fail to ride it out. Since the Wolves away game the only time we have conceded in a PL game within this period is Nani's goal and Doyle's goal when we were 4-1 up. That's two goals since early November in 45% of the minutes played.
Now I feel the way Mancini aims to capitalise is;
- Set up to ride out the 0-25 minutes as that is generally where the other team press well. We struggle to pass through the opposing midfield and end up knocking it about the defence resulting in the fans getting on our players backs, they then tend to lose the ball trying to pass through a highly mobile midfield and Mancini goes mad.
- Pummel the opposition from 25-45 minutes because they're generally knackered and without the direction of their manager.
- Similar to 0-25 for 45-50.
- 70-90 we need to keep it tight at the back but have a highly mobile front 3 to ease the pressure and be dangerous on the break. Unfortunately the players who would really capitalise on this (Bellamy, SWP etc) Mancini seems to have fallen out with so we end up with Silva/Milner trying to burst down the wing when they really really can't.
It really goes tits up if we concede first which we do far too often.<br /><br />-- Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:14 pm --<br /><br />Conversely Ferguson obviously sees the final stages of a game ripe to just mount more and more pressure on teams. Because playing them is a cup final for most teams they don't get a lull in the same way, teams seem to bust a gut for 60 minutes then end up fatigued, drop back and play right into their hands.
Generally between 25-45 minutes in the first half and 50-70 minutes in the second half. Neither team is running on the adrenanline of the whistle nor is their hand forced by the clock ticking. If I'm watching as a neutral game this is usually when I start to do other things like post on here.
I think Mancini has identified this as the easiest possible time to win a football match. If we can ride out the other periods and win this period we win the game. The problems come when we fail to ride it out. Since the Wolves away game the only time we have conceded in a PL game within this period is Nani's goal and Doyle's goal when we were 4-1 up. That's two goals since early November in 45% of the minutes played.
Now I feel the way Mancini aims to capitalise is;
- Set up to ride out the 0-25 minutes as that is generally where the other team press well. We struggle to pass through the opposing midfield and end up knocking it about the defence resulting in the fans getting on our players backs, they then tend to lose the ball trying to pass through a highly mobile midfield and Mancini goes mad.
- Pummel the opposition from 25-45 minutes because they're generally knackered and without the direction of their manager.
- Similar to 0-25 for 45-50.
- 70-90 we need to keep it tight at the back but have a highly mobile front 3 to ease the pressure and be dangerous on the break. Unfortunately the players who would really capitalise on this (Bellamy, SWP etc) Mancini seems to have fallen out with so we end up with Silva/Milner trying to burst down the wing when they really really can't.
It really goes tits up if we concede first which we do far too often.<br /><br />-- Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:14 pm --<br /><br />Conversely Ferguson obviously sees the final stages of a game ripe to just mount more and more pressure on teams. Because playing them is a cup final for most teams they don't get a lull in the same way, teams seem to bust a gut for 60 minutes then end up fatigued, drop back and play right into their hands.