Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[levets]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

You know, it doesn't take a genius to look at what a manager has at his disposal financially, and then look at what he does with that on the pitch.

Mancini has been an embarrassment over his 12 games with City in the CL.

-12 matches.
-3 wins.
-2 of those from a team that was later relegated from La Liga.
-1 of those 2 wins against relegated Villareal was a late late lucky Aguero goal.
-1 of those 2 wins against relegated Villareal was after their only stars who could be considered worthy of our NextGen squad were out injured.
-The only other win was against a reserves Bayern Munich side at Eastlands.

Mancini has set a record for the Champions League, however. He has provided the worst performance by an English club in the tournament's history. All this... with an essentially unlimited budget. That's not what you pay a Billion pounds for. It just isn't. You don't pay a billion pounds for an FA cup either. Its nice to win it, and its great for us fans, but its not what you spend 1,000,000,000 pounds for. A premier league trophy is great, its the right direction. But even a second one won't make someone who spends 1,000,000,000 pounds feel like he's gotten value for money.

I personally don't want him out, but the above situation pretty much demands it. I, like most fans, would love to win a domestic trophy year in, year out. That's not what our benefactor has spent 1,000,000,000 pounds for.

A fair assessment I suppose...

A one-eyed view. One that the rags are spouting today and will no doubt continue to do until they go out in the next round or two. They weren't so vocal when they failed dismally in Europe last season despite decades and decades of buying success. Only valid if you ignore all the other games we have been involved with this season in our time as CHAMPIONS. And you'd only do that if you were trying to paint a certain picture or had a certain agenda.

It's not great and it doesn't make me happy but we were already out before last night and I'm glad we are not making up the numbers in UEFA's afterthought also-ran competition.

Can I just say for the record... I have NO agenda. I am fully supportive of Mancini and have been since day one and will be until the day he leaves...Didsbury Dave, And Billy can confirm that. I cannot stand Mourinho and believe Pep would be a huge gamble; as I believe I could manage Barca.

I am disappointed we are not in Europe, but I'm not going to start bellyaching because I believe the back 2 back titles is the goal!

I'm just commenting for a post that is the polar opposite of my thoughts, it is fair and balanced... Not OTT

 

[Akira]

I would give him one more season to prove himself in Europe.

 

[tiggsywiggsywoo]

Whilst Mancini gets the backing of the owner, after all its his money being spent, and while we still have a good chance of retaining the title, and possibly winning the FA cup, I think he deserves all the support we can give him. The majority of fans sing his name at matches, which he nearly always acknowledges. I think hes the right man for the job, and I suspect most City fans think likewise.

 

[Berkovic_blue]

Last season we were very unlucky not to qualify from our group with our points total. This season we have faced 2 of the best teams in Europe and a competent Ajax side that were 3 minutes away from drawing away at Dortmund. We also very nearly beat Real Madrid and again we were unlucky. Ajax at home could have been very different had we got some decisions. I'm not making excuses but at this level it's small margins.

It's just typical City. You know full well that we'll win the champions league one day in the most ridiculous fashion whilst getting relegated!

I think you have rose coloured glasses on. Or blue ones.

We were shite last year as well. We were extremely fortunate to get to 7 points when 3 of them were from a 90th minute rescue against Villareal at home. And then 3 more when Bayern threw the last game by playing their B side. 10 points flattered us and I am not sure we would have got 10 had Bayern werent already through.

This season we were *battered* in Madrid by a very poor Real side. Yes we might have fluked a win or a point, but it would have been a travesty.

The only game we were unlucky in was Ajax at home, where I do believe we were robbed by some duff refereeing. You would be right to ask why we had to come from 2 down in the first place though.

If you're going to start discounting legitimate victories to fit your agenda then obviously you'll be doing the same regarding the title win?<br /><br />-- Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:45 pm --<br /><br />

A fair assessment I suppose...

A one-eyed view. One that the rags are spouting today and will no doubt continue to do until they go out in the next round or two. They weren't so vocal when they failed dismally in Europe last season despite decades and decades of buying success. Only valid if you ignore all the other games we have been involved with this season in our time as CHAMPIONS. And you'd only do that if you were trying to paint a certain picture or had a certain agenda.

It's not great and it doesn't make me happy but we were already out before last night and I'm glad we are not making up the numbers in UEFA's afterthought also-ran competition.

Can I just say for the record... I have NO agenda. I am fully supportive of Mancini and have been since day one and will be until the day he leaves...Didsbury Dave, And Billy can confirm that. I cannot stand Mourinho and believe Pep would be a huge gamble; as I believe I could manage Barca.

I am disappointed we are not in Europe, but I'm not going to start bellyaching because I believe the back 2 back titles is the goal!

I'm just commenting for a post that is the polar opposite of my thoughts, it is fair and balanced... Not OTT

Dethred is an obvious rag. Any blue would know that the owners have not spent anything like £1 billion on the squad, and more to the point wouldn't care less and certainly wouldn't keep repeating it in a single post as if it's some ultimate trump card of criticism.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

Well put however I am not sure that Mourinho is the answer as I am doubtful he would stay long term.

Why would that matter? Serious question.

I know he's a cocky arrogant sod who's only in it for himself, but he delivers outstanding results. I don't remember too many Chelsea fans or players for that matter saying how shit it was when Mourinho was there. Most of them would have him back in a heartbeat.

So he'd come here for 2 or 3 years, we'd win everything, sign some massive players and he'd leave with us being a much better team. Would that be so terrible?

 

[VOOMER]

Mancini, based on his CV, is as good as there is. Our club based on our history, is no where near. We have to look at the bigger picture. We have made huge strides in the last 4 years, but prior to that we were a mess of a club. The teams and managers, we try and compare our selfs (and Mancini), against have never sunk as low as we have, had nowhere near the managerial changes we have and no where near the same negative media attitude. It's great to know that this forum represents .001% of our support. That's not to say this isn't a good forum, but we have so many troll, rags in disguise and way to many journalist coming on here looking for an angle. We are at least 2 years ahead of schedule and yet some on here still want to gripe. So we *ucked up in Europe, how many years did the rags take to get out of the group stages? Winning the league is the number 1 priority this season.

 

[crystal_mais]

Mancini, based on his CV, is as good as there is. Our club based on our history, is no where near. We have to look at the bigger picture. We have made huge strides in the last 4 years, but prior to that we were a mess of a club. The teams and managers, we try and compare our selfs (and Mancini), against have never sunk as low as we have, had nowhere near the managerial changes we have and no where near the same negative media attitude. It's great to know that this forum represents .001% of our support. That's not to say this isn't a good forum, but we have so many troll, rags in disguise and way to many journalist coming on here looking for an angle. We are at least 2 years ahead of schedule and yet some on here still want to gripe. So we *ucked up in Europe, how many years did the rags take to get out of the group stages? Winning the league is the number 1 priority this season.

Can you clarify how we are 2 years ahead of schedule please?

We had accelerated spending?
The players are older?
There are limits now on spending?
Whats was we supposed to achieve timeline wise? because some of these players would have been 4 years older
Mancini's objectives were to win a trophy 2 years ago and a serious go at the league last year - as mentioned by our chairman

 

[VOOMER]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

Well put however I am not sure that Mourinho is the answer as I am doubtful he would stay long term.

Why would that matter? Serious question.

I know he's a cocky arrogant sod who's only in it for himself, but he delivers outstanding results. I don't remember too many Chelsea fans or players for that matter saying how shit it was when Mourinho was there. Most of them would have him back in a heartbeat.

So he'd come here for 2 or 3 years, we'd win everything, sign some massive players and he'd leave with us being a much better team. Would that be so terrible?

Chippy, Real have a far better squad and fear factor/ profile way beyond ours, yet he's on course to miss out on the champions league and La Liga. Our squad still isn't good enough to cover both the champions league and the EPL, so until it is the EPL should be the target. Give it about 2 more years and we will have what we need.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

Well put however I am not sure that Mourinho is the answer as I am doubtful he would stay long term.

Why would that matter? Serious question.

I know he's a cocky arrogant sod who's only in it for himself, but he delivers outstanding results. I don't remember too many Chelsea fans or players for that matter saying how shit it was when Mourinho was there. Most of them would have him back in a heartbeat.

So he'd come here for 2 or 3 years, we'd win everything, sign some massive players and he'd leave with us being a much better team. Would that be so terrible?

It's also interesting that a certain Mr Roberto Mancini has an average length of tenure of 2.5 years per club, too ;-)

 

[Chippy_boy]

Last season we were very unlucky not to qualify from our group with our points total. This season we have faced 2 of the best teams in Europe and a competent Ajax side that were 3 minutes away from drawing away at Dortmund. We also very nearly beat Real Madrid and again we were unlucky. Ajax at home could have been very different had we got some decisions. I'm not making excuses but at this level it's small margins.

It's just typical City. You know full well that we'll win the champions league one day in the most ridiculous fashion whilst getting relegated!

I think you have rose coloured glasses on. Or blue ones.

We were shite last year as well. We were extremely fortunate to get to 7 points when 3 of them were from a 90th minute rescue against Villareal at home. And then 3 more when Bayern threw the last game by playing their B side. 10 points flattered us and I am not sure we would have got 10 had Bayern werent already through.

This season we were *battered* in Madrid by a very poor Real side. Yes we might have fluked a win or a point, but it would have been a travesty.

The only game we were unlucky in was Ajax at home, where I do believe we were robbed by some duff refereeing. You would be right to ask why we had to come from 2 down in the first place though.

If you're going to start discounting legitimate victories to fit your agenda then obviously you'll be doing the same regarding the title win?

Eh? Do you actually disagree with anything I say above, and if so which line exactly?

Are you suggesting that last year we played great in the CL?

And by the way, yes, I do have reservations about how we won the league last year. Had we not battered the rags at OT, we would have lost it. As it stood, we and they played 36 games against the same opponents and they managed 6 points more than us in those games, and that was without Vidic for most of the season and with a camel in goal (and no RVP). With our players we should have walked it last year.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

Well put however I am not sure that Mourinho is the answer as I am doubtful he would stay long term.

Why would that matter? Serious question.

I know he's a cocky arrogant sod who's only in it for himself, but he delivers outstanding results. I don't remember too many Chelsea fans or players for that matter saying how shit it was when Mourinho was there. Most of them would have him back in a heartbeat.

So he'd come here for 2 or 3 years, we'd win everything, sign some massive players and he'd leave with us being a much better team. Would that be so terrible?

Do you think he has delivered outstanding results at madrid in his 3 years?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

Well put however I am not sure that Mourinho is the answer as I am doubtful he would stay long term.

Why would that matter? Serious question.

I know he's a cocky arrogant sod who's only in it for himself, but he delivers outstanding results. I don't remember too many Chelsea fans or players for that matter saying how shit it was when Mourinho was there. Most of them would have him back in a heartbeat.

So he'd come here for 2 or 3 years, we'd win everything, sign some massive players and he'd leave with us being a much better team. Would that be so terrible?

Do you think he has delivered outstanding results at madrid in his 3 years?

Do you think he's not a very good manager?

 

[Anonymous]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

Do you think he has delivered outstanding results at madrid in his 3 years?

He's got two European cups, he's won the league in Spain, England, Portugal, and Italy, and he's widely acknowledged as the best manager in the world.

It isn't a fluke that whilst Mancini is linked with Monaco and Russia Mourinho can pretty much write his own ticket for wherever he wants to go next.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

Do you think he has delivered outstanding results at madrid in his 3 years?

He's got two European cups, he's won the league in Spain, England, Portugal, and Italy, and he's widely acknowledged as the best manager in the world.

It isn't a fluke that whilst Mancini is linked with Monaco and Russia Mourinho can pretty much write his own ticket for wherever he wants to go next.

After losing 3–2 in Barcelona in the first leg of the 2012 Supercopa de España, Real Madrid won the return leg in Madrid 2–1. Real Madrid won the competition on the away goals rule after a tie of 4–4 on aggregate. This meant Mourinho had won every domestic title available for a manager in the Spanish top division within two years. He became the only coach who has won the national Super Cups in four different European countries.[94] This also made Mourinho the first manager in history to win every domestic title, the league championship, cup, super cup, and league cup (if available), in four European leagues.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

Why would that matter? Serious question.

I know he's a cocky arrogant sod who's only in it for himself, but he delivers outstanding results. I don't remember too many Chelsea fans or players for that matter saying how shit it was when Mourinho was there. Most of them would have him back in a heartbeat.

So he'd come here for 2 or 3 years, we'd win everything, sign some massive players and he'd leave with us being a much better team. Would that be so terrible?

Do you think he has delivered outstanding results at madrid in his 3 years?

Do you think he's not a very good manager?

Didnt i ask the question
Do you think he has delivered outstanding results
With the money he has spent do you think he has been a success or a failure?

 

[lust overlord]

I think you have rose coloured glasses on. Or blue ones.

We were shite last year as well. We were extremely fortunate to get to 7 points when 3 of them were from a 90th minute rescue against Villareal at home. And then 3 more when Bayern threw the last game by playing their B side. 10 points flattered us and I am not sure we would have got 10 had Bayern werent already through.

This season we were *battered* in Madrid by a very poor Real side. Yes we might have fluked a win or a point, but it would have been a travesty.

The only game we were unlucky in was Ajax at home, where I do believe we were robbed by some duff refereeing. You would be right to ask why we had to come from 2 down in the first place though.

If you're going to start discounting legitimate victories to fit your agenda then obviously you'll be doing the same regarding the title win?

Eh? Do you actually disagree with anything I say above, and if so which line exactly?

Are you suggesting that last year we played great in the CL?

And by the way, yes, I do have reservations about how we won the league last year. Had we not battered the rags at OT, we would have lost it. As it stood, we and they played 36 games against the same opponents and they managed 6 points more than us in those games, and that was without Vidic for most of the season and with a camel in goal (and no RVP). With our players we should have walked it last year.

Regarding the last sentence or two of your post.
Football isn't that predictable though is it?Otherwise an average Chelsea side wouldn't have won the Champions league,Celtic wouldn't have beaten Barca etc.
We won the title last year because we were the best team whether it was on G.D or by 10 points is irrelevant.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

Do you think he has delivered outstanding results at madrid in his 3 years?

He's got two European cups, he's won the league in Spain, England, Portugal, and Italy, and he's widely acknowledged as the best manager in the world.

It isn't a fluke that whilst Mancini is linked with Monaco and Russia Mourinho can pretty much write his own ticket for wherever he wants to go next.

I would have another read of my question billy.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

Do you think he has delivered outstanding results at madrid in his 3 years?

He's got two European cups, he's won the league in Spain, England, Portugal, and Italy, and he's widely acknowledged as the best manager in the world.

It isn't a fluke that whilst Mancini is linked with Monaco and Russia Mourinho can pretty much write his own ticket for wherever he wants to go next.

I would have another read of my question billy.

I don't need to. I read it fine the first time. Just showing you the caliber of the guy who's achievements you're attempting to belittle with little success... ;)

 

[crystal_mais]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

Well put however I am not sure that Mourinho is the answer as I am doubtful he would stay long term.

Why would that matter? Serious question.

I know he's a cocky arrogant sod who's only in it for himself, but he delivers outstanding results. I don't remember too many Chelsea fans or players for that matter saying how shit it was when Mourinho was there. Most of them would have him back in a heartbeat.

So he'd come here for 2 or 3 years, we'd win everything, sign some massive players and he'd leave with us being a much better team. Would that be so terrible?

Do you think he has delivered outstanding results at madrid in his 3 years?

Sorry to jump into your debate - Yes he has

 

[lust overlord]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

He's got two European cups, he's won the league in Spain, England, Portugal, and Italy, and he's widely acknowledged as the best manager in the world.

It isn't a fluke that whilst Mancini is linked with Monaco and Russia Mourinho can pretty much write his own ticket for wherever he wants to go next.

I would have another read of my question billy.

I don't need to. I read it fine the first time. Just showing you the caliber of the guy who's achievements you're attempting to belittle with little success... ;)

I think his point is that great managers sometimes don't win everything Mourinho by his standards could be accused of under performing at Madrid in Europe especially.