Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[NipHolmes]

Why well played?
Who do you think has been the bigger success over the last 3 years

Mourinho at Madrid
Mancini at city?

Simply put, last two seasons.

CL City didn't progress past group. Real Madrid semi final exit via penlaties.

CL City finish last in group. Real Madrid semi final exit 4-3 on agg and imho should've had a penalty for the Hummels handball but that's another topic entirely.

Now put Europe on top of last 3 seasons and compare United to Barca. There ends the discussion. Have in mind how poor United have been in Europe in last two seasons also.

People simply need to call a spade a spade. Mancini has done well, no denying, but he hasn't done as well as he could have. First two seasons were on target. This season hasn't been as good as it should've. Meanwhile Madrid look likely to finish second in league, possibly win the CDR Cup and they finished in last 4 of Europe. Who do you think did better?

 

[moomba]

When did Mancini ever get to a semi in the CL?

Here's some interesting stats for what's labelled here as a failed tenure at Madrid for Jose.

City - Fa Cup
Madrid - CDR Cup

City - League
Madrid - League

City - Final of FA Cup
Madrid - Final of CDR Cup

In all 3 seasons above Madrid have matched us yet they have performed better in Europe and collected an extra £50m (ish) than us in prize money.

In the interests of balance we could point out that Jose took over a team that finished in 2nd place the season before and had just made its 40th appearance in the Champions League/European Cup. They have a wage bill significantly higher than ours and their transfers spending was significantly higher than ours.

Mancini took over a team that was 6th in the league and hadn't appeared in the Champions League for 4 decades. I'd argue that if roles were reversed and Mancini achieved what Mourinho did at Madrid he would be considered a failure, likewise if Mourinho achieved what Mancini has over the past three years here he would be seen as a success.

FWIW Madrid got less than €12m more than us in UEFA distribution last season, I'd imagine it will be similar this season. I presume your £50m (ish) includes their distribution from 10/11 when we weren't even in the competition.

 

[hgblue]

Mourinho is just a fucking media whore.

Wanker.

Forza Mancini....

You'll go upsetting the outers with comments like that mate
Was nice seeing klopp dismantle their poster boy :)

Mourinho is so last year now he's off to Chelsea. Klopp is where the smart Outers are at now. Billy was right ;).

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

When did Mancini ever get to a semi in the CL?

Here's some interesting stats for what's labelled here as a failed tenure at Madrid for Jose.

City - Fa Cup
Madrid - CDR Cup

City - League
Madrid - League

City - Final of FA Cup
Madrid - Final of CDR Cup

In all 3 seasons above Madrid have matched us yet they have performed better in Europe and collected an extra £50m (ish) than us in prize money.

In the interests of balance we could point out that Jose took over a team that finished in 2nd place the season before and had just made its 40th appearance in the Champions League/European Cup. They have a wage bill significantly higher than ours and their transfers spending was significantly higher than ours.

Mancini took over a team that was 6th in the league and hadn't appeared in the Champions League for 4 decades. I'd argue that if roles were reversed and Mancini achieved what Mourinho did at Madrid he would be considered a failure, likewise if Mourinho achieved what Mancini has over the past three years here he would be seen as a success.

FWIW Madrid got under €12m more than us in UEFA distribution last season, I'd imagine it will be similar this season. I presume your £50m (ish) includes their distribution from 10/11 when we weren't even in the competition.

Stop talking sense will you...the outers won't appreciate that.

 

[NipHolmes]

Mourinho is a fantastic manager and I liked him a lot when he was at Chelsea but, he looked a shadow of his former self next to Klopp.

What you saw last night in my opinion was a man without his mojo. He looked like a singer who couldn't get the audience to join in.

He needs a different audience and he most of all he needs to take stock of his tenure at Madrid and realise that he could have handled some things better than he has done.

I expect him to excel in his next role.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

When did Mancini ever get to a semi in the CL?

Here's some interesting stats for what's labelled here as a failed tenure at Madrid for Jose.

City - Fa Cup
Madrid - CDR Cup

City - League
Madrid - League

City - Final of FA Cup
Madrid - Final of CDR Cup

In all 3 seasons above Madrid have matched us yet they have performed better in Europe and collected an extra £50m (ish) than us in prize money.

Well played, Nip.

Well played.

Why is it well played. How can you be an outer when you support another team..It's like me commenting on Oldhams management etc.

Nip played it well because you're hint at Mourinho being a failure whilst suggesting Bobby hasn't was rebuffed sharpish from Nip, that's all.

As for me being an "outer". Get a grip. I've maintained from the outset that I'm neither, just that I see Mourinho as a significant upgrade on Mancini in terms of managerial ability and that I'd like to see him in the Premiership, whether it be with City or Chelsea.

As for commenting on our management, it's a free country and you can do so as you wish. The way have had a managerial merry-go-round over the years, I wouldn't blame anyone for having an opinion on it!<br /><br />-- Wed May 01, 2013 9:13 am --<br /><br />

Well played, Nip.

Well played.

Why is it well played. How can you be an outer when you support another team..It's like me commenting on Oldhams management etc.

It has been very evident for a while that he is a closet city fan and an outer.

Closet City fan, eh?

That's a new one.

A touch of irony in your claim though, since many on here see you to be a United fan.

Toodle pip.

 

[NipHolmes]

When did Mancini ever get to a semi in the CL?

Here's some interesting stats for what's labelled here as a failed tenure at Madrid for Jose.

City - Fa Cup
Madrid - CDR Cup

City - League
Madrid - League

City - Final of FA Cup
Madrid - Final of CDR Cup

In all 3 seasons above Madrid have matched us yet they have performed better in Europe and collected an extra £50m (ish) than us in prize money.

In the interests of balance we could point out that Jose took over a team that finished in 2nd place the season before and had just made its 40th appearance in the Champions League/European Cup. They have a wage bill significantly higher than ours and their transfers spending was significantly higher than ours.

Mancini took over a team that was 6th in the league and hadn't appeared in the Champions League for 4 decades. I'd argue that if roles were reversed and Mancini achieved what Mourinho did at Madrid he would be considered a failure, likewise if Mourinho achieved what Mancini has over the past three years here he would be seen as a success.

FWIW Madrid got less than €12m more than us in UEFA distribution last season, I'd imagine it will be similar this season. I presume your £50m (ish) includes their distribution from 10/11 when we weren't even in the competition.

Madrid were up against the best club side of all time. Madrid are a circus and still he's done well.

It's fairer to look at this season and last because we too have had a high wagebill and we have had CL football to play in too.

I can't be arsed to argue this all day and I won't. Simply put I posted to smack down the bullshit posted in last few pages and to bring some facts into the argument and to show how much bollocks the bile posted is. Hate jose, I don't care (why should I?) but at least be honest and fair, otherwise the judgement is flawed.

 

[dancity19]

Mourinho is a better manager than Mancini- that can't really be denied.
I've always maintained that we don't change for changes sake, but we change to a genuine improvement.

Mourinho would be one, as would Klopp. The one worry about Mourinho would be his apparent inability to stick around for longer than 3 years. The fact that he is the current longest serving manager in La Liga confirms how often managers move around, and how rare it is to get a genuine long term manager, but to employ a guy, knowing there is a high chance he will be off in acrimonious circumstances in 3 years is a risk. (A risk I probably would take)

No one knows what's going on with Mancini. I've said in the past, he isn't as bad as we as ''outers'' sometimes suggest, and he isn't as untouchable as the inners would like to believe.

I just hope, whatever does happen, we back the manager appropriately in the summer.

 

[BobKowalski]

Why well played?
Who do you think has been the bigger success over the last 3 years

Mourinho at Madrid
Mancini at city?

Judging the success of both can only be done when measured against the targets and expectations of their respective clubs when they were employed.

For City Mancini's brief was pretty clear. First was to obtain and maintain CL qualification - effectively become a member of the 'Top 4'. Second was to win a trophy and then challenge/win the PL title. Bearing in mind that we finished 10th the season prior to Mancini joining this was an ambitious brief but an understandable one given the level of player investment. By any objective assessment Mancini's tenure at the club has been a success.

For Madrid Mourinho's brief was to beak the Barca hold over them, win the title and above all get to the CL final and win the elusive 10th. Mourinho did break the hold Barca had over Real and win one title but at Real winning a title is considered the norm and the real prize will always be the CL. That Real did not capitalise on the departure of Pep - not to mention the hospitalisation of his replacement - is probably the biggest surprise. This and not winning the CL will at best make Mourinho's tenure at Real a qualified success.

Based solely on what was expected of them by their respective clubs then Mancini has been more successful than Mourinho.

 

[crystal_mais]

Can't believe this thread was lying dormant - yet the so called Mancini inners have to bump it just to have a go at Mourinho -

there is a thread in the general forum. So much for the outers being the wind up merchants

My opinion - Mourinho is twice the manager Mancini is at the moment. He will be a massive threat when he arrives at Chelsea