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[reddishblue]

I think anything less than 1 in 10 is probably a minority.

 

[bluenova]

But less than 8% surely equals a minority?

Or perhaps I don't understand the meaning of minority?

You surely do.

Although it is at least 15% black and asian in London, and probably more in the areas where the main teams are based.

Probably financial, cultural, social reasons why they are under-represented. Maybe the OP could do some research :)

 

[Forzacitizens]

with the scale of immigration, and the notable changes in society, just don't think you can say they are a minority, in my opinion of course

dont believe all you read in the Sun!!!!!!!!!!!

nope, i dont read the sun, incidentally, just watching the news, now immigration is one of the big factors for the election, as labour's policy has been a 'massive failure' according to the tories and most of the general public

 

[DTeacher]

But less than 8% surely equals a minority?

Or perhaps I don't understand the meaning of minority?

i'm talking about immigrants, race is irrelevant, which makes me question why this thread was started the first place

But doesn't that then render your argument even LESS valid? As that would mean that the figure is actually much lower than 8% as a number would have been BORN here and are therefore not immigrants? (I haven't got the figures of white immigrants but it can't be that high surely?) You stated that they are NOT the minority in your opinion, but they very clearly are.

Edit: Oh, look, you've just gone offline.....never mind.

 

[mad zab]

dont believe all you read in the Sun!!!!!!!!!!!

nope, i dont read the sun, incidentally, just watching the news, now immigration is one of the big factors for the election, as labour's policy has been a 'massive failure' according to the tories and most of the general public

Playing the race card to the ignorant majority is the norm for general elections!!

You come across has a racist my friend!!

 

[reddishblue]

We all have a degree of ethnicicity, more emphasis on the city might appropriate on this forum. Just wondered though, out of all the football fans in the world, how many are City Fans?

 

[bugsyblue]

Worst title thread award goes to...why!

 

[DTeacher]

We all have a degree of ethnicicity, more emphasis on the city might appropriate on this forum. Just wondered though, out of all the football fans in the world, how many are City Fans?

That's a great question and one I would be interested in learning the answer to. Probably quite a low percentage at the moment but, hopefully, it will grow rapidly over the next 5 to 10 years.

 

[reddishblue]

I've no idea...

 

[davymcfc]

who cares? anyones welcome to watch games. its a choice to watch football.

 

[Marvin]

Racism. Immigrant families are far more likely to be unemployed or working in poorly paid jobs so can't afford to pay good money to watch football, and wouldn't feel welcome at football anyway.

There are large immigrant communities in parts of Manchester, but very few watch City or Utd, or any other football club for that matter. These are facts as Rafa would say. The explanation is contentious

 

[GrumpyFrog]

I think ethnic minority attendance at Rugby Union games in the UK is significantly lower than football. And if you've ever attended local triathlon events or cross country runs or cycling time trials you'll be hard-pushed to see one non-white face.

IMHO that's a great shame but, as a participant myself, I sincerely hope that's not because they would feel unwelcome.

 

[liamctid]

Surely even if the nation was 50.9% white, then other ethnicities would still be the minority?!

 

[davymcfc]

heres my attempt for a serious answer. most people(not all) who follow a football team are from families who have supported the team for generations. as a newcomer to football i assume it would be quite difficult to suddenly get in to it so much that you went week in week out especially with no real reason to. so when our grandparents were all going to city everyone was white and now its probably 95% white due to the increase in immigration. maybe in 50 years time it will 70%white. who knows? and who really cares? everyone at eastlands is blue in my eyes.

 

[DTeacher]

I think ethnic minority attendance at Rugby Union games in the UK is significantly lower than football. And if you've ever attended local triathlon events or cross country runs or cycling time trials you'll be hard-pushed to see one non-white face.

IMHO that's a great shame but, as a participant myself, I sincerely hope that's not because they would feel unwelcome.

I believe that there is an element of 'feeling unwelcome' but also feel that certain sports are more 'attractive' for ethnic minorities for varying reasons. A prime example would be Cricket imho. A very popular sport amongst the Asian community in particular, both for participating in and watching. Many blacks participate and enjoy Athletics. Boxing has a number of ethnic minorities too.

Golf, Cycling etc being the opposite, I guess.<br /><br />-- Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:43 pm --<br /><br />

Surely even if the nation was 50.9% white, then other ethnicities would still be the minority?!

Of course.

In fact, 50.0000000001% is still a majority.

I understand that women are still in the minority to men (may be wrong) but I bet the figures are pretty close.

That's why I found Forzacitizens assertion unbelievable.

 

[Marvin]

heres my attempt for a serious answer. most people(not all) who follow a football team are from families who have supported the team for generations. as a newcomer to football i assume it would be quite difficult to suddenly get in to it so much that you went week in week out especially with no real reason to. so when our grandparents were all going to city everyone was white and now its probably 95% white due to the increase in immigration. maybe in 50 years time it will 70%white. who knows? and who really cares? everyone at eastlands is blue in my eyes.

Football is more popular if anything amongst immigrants, but you have a point. 1st and 2nd generation immigrants don't identify with the local clubs. But why? It's because they are marginalised....they don't identify with local "institutions". Ex-pat Mancs is Australia still support City, but I bet their kids are fully integrated into their society. That doesn't happen in Britain. And it's not down to the attitude of the immigrants. The history of the Irish, West Indians, and Asians tells you that each community has been isolated for many years.

 

[Corky]

Ethnic minorities are under represented at CoMS.

A lot is down to the racism in football which was a lot worse 30 or 40 years ago.

Culture also plays a part, just as it does in pubs etc.

Women are also well under represented at football, so are people over 60 and children under 5 years old.

 

[davymcfc]

heres my attempt for a serious answer. most people(not all) who follow a football team are from families who have supported the team for generations. as a newcomer to football i assume it would be quite difficult to suddenly get in to it so much that you went week in week out especially with no real reason to. so when our grandparents were all going to city everyone was white and now its probably 95% white due to the increase in immigration. maybe in 50 years time it will 70%white. who knows? and who really cares? everyone at eastlands is blue in my eyes.

Football is more popular if anything amongst immigrants, but you have a point. 1st and 2nd generation immigrants don't identify with the local clubs. But why? It's because they are marginalised....they don't identify with local "institutions". Ex-pat Mancs is Australia still support City, but I bet their kids are fully integrated into their society. That doesn't happen in Britain. And it's not down to the attitude of the immigrants. The history of the Irish, West Indians, and Asians tells you that each community has been isolated for many years.

maybe they do, i cant think of much more that could be done to make them welcome at a football match though. we have many irish and african players (not too many asians admittedly). to my knowledge there isnt any racist chants that get going. i suppose in life in general most of the time black people mainly have black friends, asians are the same. i dont think its a problem caused by whites making them feel unwelcome.

 

[lee-mcfc]

Beacause england is a white country and the premier league is english ?

just LOL.

 

[Blue82]

Regardless of whether you are black or white, if you are a recently arrived immigrant or even if you are the child of 1st immigrant parents it's unlikely that you will have the same emotional or cultural connection with a football club.