mancity2012_eamo
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I’d chip in with Up the Republic, but nobody wants to start all that nonsense again.
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abu13
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Yep, the last political leader I had any sort of trust in was John Smith, sadly passed away too early.We need a few politicians from the 80s 90s. They cared about politics. They cared about the country.
Nowadays governing the counrty feels like a stepping stone to greater things. So they dont do it.
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Last one I had admiration for was Gordon Brown. The media ruined him like they do with so many. Only the ones who are more popular with the people than the hate the media can give get through.
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The romans and vikings just rang and asked if the taxi was here?Could be Britain has never suffered an oppressive regime, suffered an invasion, slaughter on its door step, etc etc. it’s been relatively easy here for us. In Poland , for example, there’s a long standing tradition of subversion, insurrection and protest. Ukraine too. Countries that have had a shite time of it seem to Be quick to protest. Norn Iron are quick to kick off unlike the rest of the Isles.
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Other than the Irish, who are a sort of exception to the rule, the last group to be genuinely persecuted by an oppressive regime in the UK were the Jacobites in the 18th Century. Albeit, right until the early 19th century, Roman Catholics and Jews were effectively second-class citizens, but the serious, official persecution of these groups was over and had been for some time.
What's more, even for these out groups, the oppressors have been our own people, not foreigners.
In living memory, and indeed in the furthest memory of our great-great-great grandparents we have not been occupied by a foreign power. This is almost unique in Europe, and most of the exceptions (e.g. Spain, Portugal) have had deeply oppressive internal regimes easily within living memory.
I think it is a factor - though not the only one - in the rather special way we look at ourselves. Indeed, nostalgia for our 'finest hour' when we (aided by various foreign allies) most recently kept the wolf from the door remains very strong, almost totemic, even though only a small and diminishing minority were about in those days.
What's more, even for these out groups, the oppressors have been our own people, not foreigners.
In living memory, and indeed in the furthest memory of our great-great-great grandparents we have not been occupied by a foreign power. This is almost unique in Europe, and most of the exceptions (e.g. Spain, Portugal) have had deeply oppressive internal regimes easily within living memory.
I think it is a factor - though not the only one - in the rather special way we look at ourselves. Indeed, nostalgia for our 'finest hour' when we (aided by various foreign allies) most recently kept the wolf from the door remains very strong, almost totemic, even though only a small and diminishing minority were about in those days.
In living or recent memory? The Norman’s are more recent than themThe romans and vikings just rang and asked if the taxi was here?
Exactly , yet we take the piss out of the French who take to the streets when the price of their baguettes increases too much.Why do we as a nation complain about everything yet do fuck all about it me included. Today pubs saying you will pay more for your drinks when it’s busy, Khan ripping of driving, pensioners about to get fucked over, energy prices, petrol prices, sunak saying no investigation into ppe during covid. And we just accept it, WHY