Wilfried Bony

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johnmc said:
Lancet Fluke said:
At some point we might need to have a bit of an overhaul of the squad. We are fine at the moment but you never know what will happen in a few years time. If at some point things go a bit tits up and we felt we needed to do what say united have done in the last 12 months, would we be able to do it? We might be making a profit now having reigned things in deliberately to comply with their shite rules but would we be making a profit if we went out and 200 million on players?

I dont think any well managed club should need an overhaul at anytime its about adding one or two top players every year plus a couple of squad players every year and hopefully bringing on a youngster or two.

I agree but things don't always go as planned. A couple of bad signings here or there and a manager who fucks things up generally and a lot of good work can be unravelled quite quickly. I'm not for one minute saying it will happen but you couldn't honestly say it couldn't possibly happen. And if the worst came to the worst I'd like to think we'd buy who we wanted and not be worrying about UEFA's bullshit.
 
SSN **** in Manchester understands we are close to agreeing a 30 million pound fee, SSN **** in Swansea understands we are close to agreeing a 50 million pound fee. Fuck them.
 
SWP's back said:
The perfect fumble said:
SWP's back said:
They dropped no bollock. The rules changed AFTER the accounts were filed.

If if that is true and I expect it was probably down to "interpretation" of the rules, rather than being changed, it doesn't matter, in business what matters is outcomes.
No. They were changed.

No bollocks were dropped as stated.

It doesn't matter whether the rules were "changed" only the outcome matters. Sheikh Mansour pays top dollar to ensure these things don't happen, they happened, we dropped a bollock.
 
SouthStandStander said:
oakiecokie said:
Matty said:
On the Bony front I'm happy if we sign him from an ability perspective. He's a very good striker, with an eye for goal, and he brings aerial ability, power, and strength, which we lack at present from our strikers (Dzeko SHOULD provide these things, but all too often is surprisingly weak when it comes to the physical battle). My only concern is the who African Cup Of Nations bollocks, every 2 years Bony, just like Yaya, will disappear for 6 weeks or so, right at the heart of the season. Losing 1 key player is difficult, losing 2 will be doubly so. It really does baffle me how UEFA, and it's higher profile clubs, haven't put pressure on FIFA and the African Football Association to address the scheduling of this competition. There's really no need for it to be every 2 years, and the weather angle behind it's mid-season scheduling doesn't really hold water for a continent that straddles the equator like Africa does.

Serious question mate but do you believe that he`ll still be with us in 2017 ??
If you want to discuss yaya. Then fuck off to the yaya thread. This thread is about Bony!
;-)
Well said mate. Some people swan around here like they own the fucking place.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
SouthStandStander said:
oakiecokie said:
Serious question mate but do you believe that he`ll still be with us in 2017 ??
If you want to discuss yaya. Then fuck off to the yaya thread. This thread is about Bony!
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Well said mate. Some people swan around here like they own the fucking place.
Cheers. Not just me that it pisses off then
 
The perfect fumble said:
SWP's back said:
The perfect fumble said:
If if that is true and I expect it was probably down to "interpretation" of the rules, rather than being changed, it doesn't matter, in business what matters is outcomes.
No. They were changed.

No bollocks were dropped as stated.

It doesn't matter whether the rules were "changed" only the outcome matters. Sheikh Mansour pays top dollar to ensure these things don't happen, they happened, we dropped a bollock.
"Dropping a bollock" suggests it was something we could have avoided and we didn't, so it was our own fault.

Think of it this way, you're asked to go to the shop with a shopping list, one item on which is a shirt. Prior to leaving the house you're told that where the list says "shirt" what is meant is a red shirt, with short sleeves, with a 16 inch neck. You go to the shops, find the right shirtm buy it, and go home. When you arrive, you find that the guidance on the shirt has changed, now the shirt has to be blue, have long sleeves, and a 15 inch neck. Your wife is pissed off and won't cook your tea for the next week, as you got it wrong. Whose fault is this? You did everything you could do, and followed the guidance exactly. Did you "drop a bollock"?

That's a very simplified version of what happened here. The rules stayed the same (buy a shirt), however the guidance before buying the shirt is not the same guidance being used to assess whether the purchase meets the requirements.
 
Matty said:
SWP's back said:
The perfect fumble said:
If if that is true and I expect it was probably down to "interpretation" of the rules, rather than being changed, it doesn't matter, in business what matters is outcomes.
No. They were changed.

No bollocks were dropped as stated.

Technically (and this was how they got away with it) the rule didn't actually change at all, what changed was the interpretation of the rule, and specifically the guidance on how the rule would be interpreted. City, alongside the rest of the clubs in Europe, were given guidance on how the rules, where ambiguous, would be interpreted. We based our financial reporting upon this UEFA guidance, and then when it came to actually assess our finances UEFA changed the way in which they interpreted the rules, so the guidance we were given was now completely inaccurate. If we'd been willing I'm convinced we could have challenged this legally, and we'd have won, but the time, cost and reputational impact of doing so was deemed to be too great by our owners, somthing UEFA probably banked upon.
Not really relevant to Bony but what happened was this:
- The first FFP assessment was based on two sets of accounts, those to 2012 and 2013.
- There was a provision (Annex XI) that allowed clubs to exclude some wages from the 2012 accounts if three conditions were met
- We were always going to need to rely on Annex XI to meet the first FFP test.
- UEFA issued a toolkit in 2011 detailing (among other things) the application of those three conditions.
- We published our 2012 accounts and, under the guidelines in the 2011 toolkit which was in force at that point, we met all three conditions as described in the toolkit.
- In April 2013 UEFA issued a new toolkit and UEFA's interpretation of the method of calculation for satisfying one of those conditions had changed.
- The upshot was that in the first toolkit, x had to be greater than y to pass the test but in the 2013 version y had to be greater than x.
- That meant, by definition, if you'd passed it in 2011 you'd failed it in 2013.

So we'd published accounts that met UEFA's criteria for using Annex XI at the time we'd filed those accounts but this was retrospectively turned on its head after the event. As that test for meeting Annex XI only applied to the 2012 accounts (whereas the other two used both years) there was nothing we could do. The revised guideline was actually simpler and more logical but that's not the point.

Imagine being breathalysed one day and coming in at 25mg/l, which is less than the 35mg/l limit, and being told you're in the clear. The next week, a law is passed lowering it to 20mg/l and then the police tell you you will get prosecuted as a result of the change. Would you consider yourself to have dropped a bollock?
 
Right ya boring bastards fuck off with that FFP shite! Back to Bony and I particularly like the impressive stat of Bony having the highest pass completion rate of other top strikers. I'm sure City took this into account when assessing his ability and whether he'd fit into our system.

So apart from the attribute shown in this clip we have someone who can find his teammates:


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Matty said:
The perfect fumble said:
SWP's back said:
No. They were changed.

No bollocks were dropped as stated.

It doesn't matter whether the rules were "changed" only the outcome matters. Sheikh Mansour pays top dollar to ensure these things don't happen, they happened, we dropped a bollock.
"Dropping a bollock" suggests it was something we could have avoided and we didn't, so it was our own fault.

Think of it this way, you're asked to go to the shop with a shopping list, one item on which is a shirt. Prior to leaving the house you're told that where the list says "shirt" what is meant is a red shirt, with short sleeves, with a 16 inch neck. You go to the shops, find the right shirtm buy it, and go home. When you arrive, you find that the guidance on the shirt has changed, now the shirt has to be blue, have long sleeves, and a 15 inch neck. Your wife is pissed off and won't cook your tea for the next week, as you got it wrong. Whose fault is this? You did everything you could do, and followed the guidance exactly. Did you "drop a bollock"?

That's a very simplified version of what happened here. The rules stayed the same (buy a shirt), however the guidance before buying the shirt is not the same guidance being used to assess whether the purchase meets the requirements.

So, what you're basically saying, is Txiki went to the Next boxing day sale in 2013, bought the wrong fucking thing and as a result we failed FFP?

Why couldn't his wife just gone and bought him the shirt so we could sign Messi?!
 
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