Woman jailed for 8.5 years

People are citing mental health as a reason and obviously I would have thought something isn't quite right to go to the lengths she did. She must have had a mental health assesment before going to trial though surely?
There will have been a psychiatric report to evaluate her fitness to plead (i.e. does she have the mental capacity) but the threshold for insanity is incredibly high (McNaughton insanity).

tbf I’d rather go to prison than a psych ward.
 
People who make up falls allegations of sexual assault aren’t just ruining the lives of innocent men, they’re ruining the lives of genuine victims of sexual assault.

Absolute fucking scum. Throw away the key.

The sad thing here is this mad woman will be out in 3 years.
 
There will have been a psychiatric report to evaluate her fitness to plead (i.e. does she have the mental capacity) but the threshold for insanity is incredibly high (McNaughton insanity).

tbf I’d rather go to prison than a psych ward.

She obviously has issues she needs to work through, smacking herself all over with a hammer and concocting such a story. Thankfully for the victims she wasn't very bright so it all unravelled.
 
Think this has come up many times over the years. I think (and I'm not sure) that the argument is that it encourages other potential victims of the accused to come forward.

It does seem unfair though, especially when the accused is found innocent.
That's an argument as to why it might be a good idea, but it's not the actual reason. The defendant is named because it's the standard rule in any trial unless there's a very good reason not to. Let's be honest, the stigma around being accused of rape is down to the ridiculously low conviction rate. We know for a fact that statistically most people who are accused get away with it just because of the nature of the possible evidence and the prevalence of false claims. Nobody cares about the accused being named in a theft case or a murder case because we have trust in the system with those crimes.
 
There will have been a psychiatric report to evaluate her fitness to plead (i.e. does she have the mental capacity) but the threshold for insanity is incredibly high (McNaughton insanity).

tbf I’d rather go to prison than a psych ward.
Sounds like something @Mad Eyed Screamer 's favourite crooner might pen.
 
That's an argument as to why it might be a good idea, but it's not the actual reason. The defendant is named because it's the standard rule in any trial unless there's a very good reason not to. Let's be honest, the stigma around being accused of rape is down to the ridiculously low conviction rate. We know for a fact that statistically most people who are accused get away with it just because of the nature of the possible evidence and the prevalence of false claims. Nobody cares about the accused being named in a theft case or a murder case because we have trust in the system with those crimes.

The reason for rape cases having a low conviction rate is actually almost entirely down to witnesses (usually the victims) withdrawing their support.

Now there's lots of reasons for that - from police attitudes, public stigma, emotional trauma, abusive relationships - and it's not the only reason, but it is the no.1 reason by a mile.

When cases actually make it to trial the success rate of the CPS is high.
 
The reason for rape cases having a low conviction rate is actually almost entirely down to witnesses (usually the victims) withdrawing their support.

Now there's lots of reasons for that - from police attitudes, public stigma, emotional trauma, abusive relationships - and it's not the only reason, but it is the no.1 reason by a mile.

When cases actually make it to trial the success rate of the CPS is high.
It’s a controversial point, and it’s not nearly as rigidly applied these days, but half a decade or so ago the CPS had an unwritten policy, while Alison Saunders was DPP, of prosecuting any rape allegation where there wasn’t clear evidence of the allegation being false, and the allegation hadn’t been withdrawn, no matter how weak or tenuous the evidence, or how reluctant the victim appeared. Highly experiences counsel give up advising the CPS to drop cases because there is no way they would end in a conviction because they came to realise it was a complete waste of time: “leave it to the jury” was the standard response. This policy would undoubtedly have had a significant impact on the conviction rate.

It’s a hugely complicated issue, with no simple answers. The standard of proof in criminal trials is, quite rightly, very high, and when there is little or no evidence other than one person’s word against another, a jury will often struggle to be ‘sure’.

For that reason, and because of the gravity that a conviction represents, it must be one of the hardest offences to convict for, although the latter factor doesn’t seem to impact of murder convictions which have got to be the highest of any offence. Acquittals for murder are highly unusual, partly because the evidence these days is usually overwhelming, and the presence of a body seems to push juries into wanting to provide a definitive answer.
 
I did note that the lack of jail time had something to do with a plea deal.

As you say, double standards.
We don’t have plea deals in the country, Doc. The prosecution have no input into the sentence here, which is entirely down to the court. We do have Goodyear indications, which can be given by the Judge (although are frequently refused) where the defence requests what sentence the court would impose if there was a guilty plea at a particular point

Fourth point on here:



but they are at the complete discretion of the judge (as to quantum and whether they happen at all) and are not the same as plea bargains where the prosecutor effectively cuts a deal with the defence on a sentence in exchange for a guilty plea.

Other than taking the court to the sentencing guidelines, minimum and maximum terms for that sentence, it’s considered improper for a prosecutor to suggest to a Judge what the sentence should be and they would be bollocked for so doing.
 
I think I posted this on here when it was first in the news. Initially, it had all the hallmarks of another grooming cover up, and you can't blame people for not trusting the authorities with all that went on in some other towns. But there was a local news journalist reporting on it who was getting threats for reporting what we now know to be the truth. If I remember rightly, one of her claims was when she said the victim had trafficked her to Ibiza, but he could prove he was in Amsterdam.

And while we're here, can I just point out that this is what a false rape accusation usually looks like. It's someone with obvious mental health problems making obviously false (in many cases impossible) claims against multiple men. Let's not conflate it with women who make an honest accusation that gets dropped due to lack of evidence.

Oh and while we're at it, she also accused a few white men. Notice how Tommy Robinson only got involved when the accusations were against brown ones though.

There’s a YouTube podcast on James English regarding this, the poor Asian bloke accused & Tommy Robinson talking about the case. It was a bit of a “love in” & not what I expected, worth a listen but she sounds a wrongun as do all on the podcast but not nonces & both defending each other.
 
We don’t have plea deals in the country, Doc. The prosecution have no input into the sentence here, which is entirely down to the court. We do have Goodyear indications, which can be given by the Judge (although are frequently refused) where the defence requests what sentence the court would impose if there was a guilty plea at a particular point

Fourth point on here:



but they are at the complete discretion of the judge (as to quantum and whether they happen at all) and are not the same as plea bargains where the prosecutor effectively cuts a deal with the defence on a sentence in exchange for a guilty plea.

Other than taking the court to the sentencing guidelines, minimum and maximum terms for that sentence, it’s considered improper for a prosecutor to suggest to a Judge what the sentence should be and they would be bollocked for so doing.
That's what I meant. ;-)

Cheers for the correction.
 
This girl was in my class when I taught at Styal. She was friendly, smiley, and extremely convincing of her innocence. So weird to see it all on the news and papers etc..
 
This girl was in my class when I taught at Styal. She was friendly, smiley, and extremely convincing of her innocence. So weird to see it all on the news and papers etc..

Some people are very convincing liars. A lot live in a fantasy world and absolutely believe the bullshit they are telling people. We all know the guy down the pub who spouts tall tales. Even when he's rumbled it doesn't stop him. Mostly they're harmless fantasists but in cases like this it takes a very serious turn with awful consequences for the poor sods caught up in the lies.
 
Reading some stuff on Facebook, the locals are reporting that the family have spent the cash on holidays!

Some really fucking murky shit going on there
I've been hearing murmurs for a long time now that there is a compensation side to this whole grooming thing. Allegedly, girls have been exaggerating and falsifying historical accounts of rape and trafficking to take advantage of the compensation for grooming victims.
I chose to dismiss this as conspiracy theory until the Cumbria case which made me think maybe there was some truth to what I'd been hearing.
I still don't know the truth but if any compensation scheme is incentivising girls to lie and consequently destroy the lives of innocent men and their families, then the whole system needs looking at.
 

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