would the premiership take there ball home

[bluenova]

You guy with your conspiracy that everyone is against you, its getting over the top now. Lets be honest, most people want you to fail because of your money, thats human nature as the same happend with Chelsea. Infact you are getting far less stick than Chelsea did, its just that you didnt pay any attention to it.

uefa has been pushing for clubs to be more financial stable and not depend on one sugar daddy for years, long before City got their owners. You are lucky that you have good owners so far, but look at Liverpool or Pompey, you have a rich dude come in a club with over 100 year history and bankrupt it for good. All they are pushing for is clubs to become self run, which is a good thing. Assuming the sheikh decides he has had enough of City, you will be in Liverpools position begging for another rich guy to come in, so just because things are good now doesnt mean they wont be bad tomorow

You have to get used to it on here My Gooney.

Everyone has it in for us. The EPL, UEFA, FIFA, PGMO, BIG4, SKY, BBC, PETA, RSPCA, NSPCC, RAC, JLS, The XX, R2D2, K9. We need to watch out backs!

 

[gooney]

Nothing has changed for Chelsea as Roman turned out to be a responsible owner. But the problem is if Roman doesnt want to be there, the club cant run itself on its own income. uefa dont want clubs to be dependent on one rich sugar daddy. The problem you gonna have with sugar daddies is that if 20 sugar daddies come in, 3 will still get relegated, only one can win the league. So alot of them will not get anywhere near where they wanted when they invested all their money and will end up leaving.

When I say change for Chelsea, I mean he came in, bought good players, brought in good managers and off they went onto bigger successes.

I can fully understand why the League is retiscent about owners like that and you're right, 3 will still go down. Where I think we are different is simply the scale of investment in not just the club but in Manchester itself which certainly suggests teh Sheikh is in it for the long haul.

Part of UEFA's regs say you can include non football related revenue in the books, so long as it is owned by the club - eg say a Planet MCFC Restaurant chain, owned by the club could include revenues from it as part of the club's income.

Sheikh Mansoour plans to invest £1 billion as part of a regeneration scheme in the area around the ground. I'd be surprised if this is not tied in with the club somewhere to satisfy UEFA. This would mean (assuming said investment is successful) should he decide to sell up and walk away, there's every possibility it could leave us self sufficient.

But, that's all hypotheticals and it all remains to be seen.

I dont doubt your owners as they seem serious and have long term plans. And they are spending huge amount of THEIR own money. But we still need alot tighter rules on who can come in and take over clubs. I would love if there were rules that new owners have to put money away on the side for the PL, just incase they mess up their new club. How many people are gonna do things like Roman or Mansoour? Most owners will take loans and gamble on future success, and when it doesnt come, they will leave.

 

[Anonymous]

When I say change for Chelsea, I mean he came in, bought good players, brought in good managers and off they went onto bigger successes.

I can fully understand why the League is retiscent about owners like that and you're right, 3 will still go down. Where I think we are different is simply the scale of investment in not just the club but in Manchester itself which certainly suggests teh Sheikh is in it for the long haul.

Part of UEFA's regs say you can include non football related revenue in the books, so long as it is owned by the club - eg say a Planet MCFC Restaurant chain, owned by the club could include revenues from it as part of the club's income.

Sheikh Mansoour plans to invest £1 billion as part of a regeneration scheme in the area around the ground. I'd be surprised if this is not tied in with the club somewhere to satisfy UEFA. This would mean (assuming said investment is successful) should he decide to sell up and walk away, there's every possibility it could leave us self sufficient.

But, that's all hypotheticals and it all remains to be seen.

I dont doubt your owners as they seem serious and have long term plans. And they are spending huge amount of THEIR own money. But we still need alot tighter rules on who can come in and take over clubs. I would love if there were rules that new owners have to put money away on the side for the PL, just incase they mess up their new club. How many people are gonna do things like Roman or Mansoour? Most owners will take loans and gamble on future success, and when it doesnt come, they will leave.

I agree the rules need to be tightened to stop the Gaydamaks, the Mandaric's, the Al Fayims, the Icelandic Biscuit People et al. A bond to the Premier League is a great idea - would certainly put off loads of people from trying their hands.

Sadly though, I reckon European Law would put a stop to all that - I'm sure they'd argue all that restriction of trade stuff and such.

I tell you what though, if you'd told me 30 years ago, whilst stood on the Kippax that fans of the future would be discussing balance sheets and finances as part of the everyday footballing discourse, I'd have thought you were mental! How times have changed.

 

[flook]

Why would we be in the same position as Liverpool or Pompey - We do not have loans levered against the club - The Sheikh has invested his own personel money into the club as gifts not loans - So do not understand why you think we're in the same situation as Man ure, Liverpool etc

Initially this is probably correct, however should the sheik rattle on out, we are left with an oversized squad on inflated wages and long term contracts, which I suspect could not be serviced by our current non sheik-gifted income, therefore, within a relatively short period of time, we could possibly find ourselves with financial problems.

However this is hypothetical as there is no indication of a bail out just yet, so relax :)

 

[Txiki Vimto]

But it wouldn't be just us kicking off about a spend what you earn rule, what about teams like Blackpool, Wigan and Fulham? They would end up in division 12 ffs.

Plus imo even if something like this was introduced I'm sure the Sheikh could find a loophole or a way around it.

 

[Roberto Mankini]

I think the premier league needs us at the moment with the so called big four not really bringing in established world renowned players, an opting to buy players for the future. If it was'nt for us the transfer window this summer would have just been boring. Add to this that the premier league became what it is today through teams being able to buy some of the world's best players.What would the premier league become when there are no Torres ,Fabregas,Drogba and of course Tevez because there getting more money in spain for example .I cant imagine that they would be able to sell t.v rights for vast sums if there are no world class players in the league.

 

[Chippy_boy]

we need to put the things in place like a bigger ground to to a level of the top 4 and champion league team 60.000plus gates will come every week if things fall into place with a winning team

You have to face the reality that Arsenal has a catchment area amounting to 7.5m londoners and a strong fan base, based on consistently playing exciting football and winning things over the last 20 years.

They also don't have another club on the doorstep with the global draw of Manchester United.

Like it or not, there are only 2.5m in the whole of greater manchester and (like this even less) there are more reds than blues. You also have Blackburn, Burnley, Bolton and Wigan just around the corner and Liverpool and Everton not that far way. Stoke or Blackpool aren't that far away either. We have to accept that the whole of the Manchester area is not blue.

I am not saying there's no room for increasing our support. But 60,000 week in/week out is a tall ask and will take years to build up the fan base to that extent again. I'd hate to see a 75,000 seater stadium with only 45,000 in it most weeks.

 

[samharris]

got this feeling when manchester city win the premiership sky and the PLA WILL TAKE THERE BALL HOME AND CHANGE THE RULES

they have to keep the old top 4 teams safe and give them a helping hand
coz if manchester win the league then it could be a 1 horse race for the next 10/20 years

we need to put the things in place like a bigger ground to to a level of the top 4 and champion league team 60.000plus gates will come every week if things fall into place with a winning team

we need a turn over like the arsenal have just put in place
i do feel this is the weak link in manchester city and the rest have over us at the moment thats what the PLA could use to but us back as a top 6 team

if they have a rule with the like's of uefa are bring in then we need a bigger ground to fill each week even help the turn over and the fans with a drop in the price of a ticket even bring back the walk up fans and have pay on the gate to fill the ground each week

we are 2 season away from setting up the biggest club in england
i have a feeling the so called top 4 clubs have been working behind our back keeping them in place with the premiership golden boys club

if you look at the big 3 teams arsenal chelsea utd they have not spent a penny
for a copule of seasons and are looking at the turn over and debt before the team on the park
i just get this feeling something is happing behind the sceens and they know something that manchester city dont know
maybe a player cap or a club spending level with the turn over of the club

plaese give manchester city the ground that can give us the turn over
we will need to build the club into a great club
if you build it they will come

They may even embrace us as a new force. dont fret.

 

[bluenova]

You have to face the reality that Arsenal has a catchment area amounting to 7.5m londoners and a strong fan base, based on consistently playing exciting football and winning things over the last 20 years.

Read something about this recently - Since Roman took over Chelsea's gates have stayed pretty static. Arsenal have much bigger support (remember the Wembley games) and had a 20,000 strong waiting list for season tickets before they built the Emirates.

We'd need to do something drastic with ticket prices or it might take time to fill a 60,000 stadium.

 

[itsnevereasy]

Do most prem' clubs not run at a loss these days?

they do but if you have to put your club in order with your turn over
then we could be only a top 6 club

you cannot keep going on the way it is the banks would not dig deep in there pockets anymore and give the clubs loans like they have had in the past

i feel this is what arsenal/utd are doing at the moment
they are keeping the spending down to well below the turn over
chelsea manchester city are the only 2 clubs with spending power over the clubs turn over but will have to sort that out to stay in uefa rules in the next couple of years

How far off do you think we are from our spending matching our turnover? Even if we didn't buy a single player next season (which is unrealistic) would the wages still not screw us.