Yet more bile... this time from the Evening Standard

Will said:
Please tell me how united afforded to invest millions in players, including breaking the transfer record for pallister, having not won the league for over 20 years and been relegated to division two? Please explain to me where that money came from because it didn't come from success.


I would have thought that was obvious. Throughout the 70s and 80s, even in Div 2, United had the largest attendances in the league and were perceived worldwide, thanks to the Busby Babes and Best, Law and Charlton to be a glamorous and exciting club.

In the days before Sky, gate receipts were the main revenue stream for a club. United's eclipsed all others. Our success then was built on the style of play. Two skillful wingers and attacking players throughout the team. This was what the fans wanted to see. And it brought in loads of money.


You're talking absolute shit and trying to convince yourself that your success is somehow superior to any success we have in the future. Your club is fucking pathetic
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It's not a question of whether United's success is superior or inferior to any City 'might' have in the future. Partly it's down to respect. Personally, I have more for the self-made man who's worked his way to the top, than the one who's had everything handed to him on a plate.

And more importantly for City, recent history shows that United's style of success, grown steadily over the years, lasts far longer than the Blackburn, Chelsea and City kind which tends to be more of a flash in the pan built on shifting sands and vanishing rapidly back from whence it came. If you'll allow me to mix my metaphors.[/quote]


is that it wil....??!

fuck off back to london or singapore....pathetic retort....have been sat here really looking forward to it tbf!
 
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The pre-Premiership money? From having the highest gate receipts for the 20 years leading up to it.
 
Will said:
Please tell me how united afforded to invest millions in players, including breaking the transfer record for pallister, having not won the league for over 20 years and been relegated to division two? Please explain to me where that money came from because it didn't come from success.


I would have thought that was obvious. Throughout the 70s and 80s, even in Div 2, United had the largest attendances in the league and were perceived worldwide, thanks to the Busby Babes and Best, Law and Charlton to be a glamorous and exciting club.

In the days before Sky, gate receipts were the main revenue stream for a club. United's eclipsed all others. Our success then was built on the style of play. Two skillful wingers and attacking players throughout the team. This was what the fans wanted to see. And it brought in loads of money.


You're talking absolute shit and trying to convince yourself that your success is somehow superior to any success we have in the future. Your club is fucking pathetic


It's not a question of whether United's success is superior or inferior to any City 'might' have in the future. Partly it's down to respect. Personally, I have more for the self-made man who's worked his way to the top, than the one who's had everything handed to him on a plate.

And more importantly for City, recent history shows that United's style of success, grown steadily over the years, lasts far longer than the Blackburn, Chelsea and City kind which tends to be more of a flash in the pan built on shifting sands and vanishing rapidly back from whence it came. If you'll allow me to mix my metaphors.

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99.9999% of the people that support your club have absolutely no connection with Manchester and the surrounding area. So your point is?


But many more Mancs support United than City so not really sure what your point is.
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It's really not that difficult to use the "quote" function properly you thick plank.
 
Will said:
Please tell me how united afforded to invest millions in players, including breaking the transfer record for pallister, having not won the league for over 20 years and been relegated to division two? Please explain to me where that money came from because it didn't come from success.


I would have thought that was obvious. Throughout the 70s and 80s, even in Div 2, United had the largest attendances in the league and were perceived worldwide, thanks to the Busby Babes and Best, Law and Charlton to be a glamorous and exciting club.

In the days before Sky, gate receipts were the main revenue stream for a club. United's eclipsed all others. Our success then was built on the style of play. Two skillful wingers and attacking players throughout the team. This was what the fans wanted to see. And it brought in loads of money.


You're talking absolute shit and trying to convince yourself that your success is somehow superior to any success we have in the future. Your club is fucking pathetic
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It's not a question of whether United's success is superior or inferior to any City 'might' have in the future. Partly it's down to respect. Personally, I have more for the self-made man who's worked his way to the top, than the one who's had everything handed to him on a plate.

And more importantly for City, recent history shows that United's style of success, grown steadily over the years, lasts far longer than the Blackburn, Chelsea and City kind which tends to be more of a flash in the pan built on shifting sands and vanishing rapidly back from whence it came. If you'll allow me to mix my metaphors.

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99.9999% of the people that support your club have absolutely no connection with Manchester and the surrounding area. So your point is?[/quote]


But many more Mancs support United than City so not really sure what your point is.[/quote]

You see this is what I don't get if you support a team or even a glory hunter Like you are(going of your posts) you SHOULD know your history because thats all you'll have in 5 year time :-)
 
Will said:
This post is a thing of beauty.
Will, please respond to this as you seem to have conveniently ignored it....
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The pre-Premiership money? From having the highest gate receipts for the 20 years leading up to it.[/quote]

Ignorance is a thing of beauty :)
 
Will said:
Inevitable whether united win or not this year, they can't keep up over the next few years.


Blackburn said this in 94, Arse after that, and Chelski under Abramovich after that. The fact is, different clubs come along and set new challenges and so far, it's only taken United a season or two to adjust, and then overtake the new pretenders. Even when United are in transition, as they are now, they seem to be too good for everyone else.

How much have City spent? I've seen £400 million, £500 million, £600 million. Whichever it is, how much more money will it take? Another £200 million? £400 million? Who will they buy that will want to come and would make the difference? Messi? Not a chance. Ronaldo? Doubt it. Ibrahimovic? Possibly. Benzema?

By definition, the kind of player attracted to City's billions are not necessarily the kind of player you need to mold into a team capable of winning titles year in, year out.

The manager is the key position, obviously. RM has shown he's not the man for the job. Not tactically, not in terms of man-management, media-management nor in the vital area of spotting a player who will help bring sustained success to a club.

If City can land Mourinho, invest the probable further £200 million he'd want to bring in half of Real Madrid, then City will almost certainly win the title within the next couple of years. Apart from Fergie, I doubt there's another man on planet who could make City the best team in England. And that would only be until Jose gets bored and seeks another challenge.

And it looks like he wants the United job anyway.

You can't buy sustained success. Blackburn and Chelsea are proof of that.
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My dear little willie - you are deluded- you omit pone very important fact - THE RAGS ARE IN DEBT NOT LITTLE DEBT BIG BIG DEBT AND THEY WILL NOT REDUCE THAT ANYTIME SOON.
THEY ARE ON BORROWED TIME
THE ARABS ARE PATIENT PEOPLE AND WILL SUCCEED
FURTHERMORE I SUGGEST YOU COMPARE THE WEALTH AVAILABLE TO CITY WITH JACK WALKER- HE HAD PENNIES AND ABRAMOVICH MIGHT BE A BILLIONAIRE BUT THE SHIEK HAPPENS TO BE A MULTI BILLIONAIRE.
GET WITH IT-
CITY ARE HERE TO STAY AND SCREW THE RAGS SO BADLY I CANNOT WAIT
 
Yes Will you are quite right, yoonitid made there money by being succcesfull, not by launching themselves on the stock market which of course is what allowed Uncle Malcolm to buy you out and load you up with debt.


This would have been a good point. If we hadn't been the most successful club 'before' the Glazers came along.



But of course it is better to be in debt to a Johnny Foreigner than being given money by one isn't it.[/quote]


Rather not be in debt at all. And Jonny foreigner's money has its price. 'The Etihad' stadium?

And I don't think City's money is sustainable. The Etihad looked about 2/3 full for the Sunderland game, one where the team is chasing its first title for decades. How will you get around the FFP rules when they come in? Not by cheating and corruption, surely.
 
He probably classes the thousands of morons in Manchester who watch Sky in their local proudly wearing their AON tops, mouthing off yet have NEVER even been to Old Trafford as fans, i class them as lemmings who always take the easy option in life and feel the need to belong to something successful in order to validate their existence.
 
Will said:
Yes Will you are quite right, yoonitid made there money by being succcesfull, not by launching themselves on the stock market which of course is what allowed Uncle Malcolm to buy you out and load you up with debt.


This would have been a good point. If we hadn't been the most successful club 'before' the Glazers came along.



But of course it is better to be in debt to a Johnny Foreigner than being given money by one isn't it.
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Rather not be in debt at all. And Jonny foreigner's money has its price. 'The Etihad' stadium?

And I don't think City's money is sustainable. The Etihad looked about 2/3 full for the Sunderland game, one where the team is chasing its first title for decades. How will you get around the FFP rules when they come in? Not by cheating and corruption, surely.[/quote]


Haha your ignorance is bliss! Your ground in the league has NOT SOLD OUT all season where as ours has! If you don't know that you must be 12
 
Will if the stadium was 2/3rd full that would mean there were 16000 empty seats...the only empty seats were the 300 or so empty ones in the away section, Sunderland only too the lower section.
 
Will said:
The Etihad looked about 2/3 full for the Sunderland game, one where the team is chasing its first title for decades.
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It was a sellout like every other home league game this season. Attendance was 47007. The 400 empty seats were in the away end.
 
Will said:
This post is a thing of beauty.
Will, please respond to this as you seem to have conveniently ignored it....
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The pre-Premiership money? From having the highest gate receipts for the 20 years leading up to it.[/quote]

It's already been pointed out to you that your club spent far more money on transfers than you brought in through the gate back in the summer of 1989. In other words, YOU SPENT MORE THAN YOU EARNT. Having the biggest gates back then didn't come close to covering that unprecedented expenditure on transfers so you're talking through your shitter mate.
 
EVERY league game has sold out this season and in probably 2/3rds of them the away club has ony taken the 1700 tickets in the lower tier with City fans sitting above them.

I
 
philiph20 said:
Will if the stadium was 2/3rd full that would mean there were 16000 empty seats...the only empty seats were the 300 or so empty ones in the away section, Sunderland only too the lower section.
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They just love empty seats, don't you rags. (Nobody mention Wolves).
Does it make it up for having a tiny penis?
 
Or Ajax or Bilbao, maybe the black uniforms were in the wash or something and they couldn't attend.
 
Will, you really are deluded. Uniteds fan base wasn't solely due to the style of play, lots of clubs during that era had an attractive style and United were no more successful or popular as other clubs. The fan base swelled massively due to sympathy following the air disaster. United exploited this to the full and the legend of United and the busby babes was and has been perpetuated. Remember Roma's air disaster?

Your conclusion that Chelsea's success is a flash in the pan is just plain wrong. Their success has been slightly tempered due to constant changes in manager, nothing to do with a wealthy benefactor. Blackburn suffered as they didn't continue their player investment and let their best players leave. Uniteds player investment has been restricted due to the Glazer debt therefore a period of relative decline maybe on the cards.

City will do just fine with or without your respect.
 
Sorry to be a pedantic knob but it was Torino in 1949 and they were the premier team in Italy at the time and they were a wiped out yet they haven't milked it and still to this day they are remembered with dignity and everything is a far cry from the 'sussed and sorted' brigade at O.T.
 
Will said:
This post is a thing of beauty.
Will, please respond to this as you seem to have conveniently ignored it....
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The pre-Premiership money? From having the highest gate receipts for the 20 years leading up to it.[/quote]

Again total bollocks - if you think it came from gate receipts you are deluded.
It is an inescapable fact that united received "artificial" investment. Now city are you feel the need to make sure any success we have is inferior to yours.
And why does a united fan care about city having self respect? You have nothing to do with us.
If you have self respect for your club (the one that put an AIG sponsor on a Munich memorial) then good for you. City fans have self respect don't you worry and when we have success it will be sweeter than you could ever imagine.
 
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