You could see Mourinho's eyes light up

Are you Andy Townsend??? We clearly went to 3 at the back at half time with Clichy slotting in alongside Nasti and Kompany with the latters job presumably to restrict Ronaldo's threat when he cut inside leaving Maicon pretty much 1 on 1 with Marcelo. He made the change in my eyes due to there being numerous occasions in the first half where Marcelo and Ronaldo had 2 on 1 situations against Maicon due to first Nasri then Silva not tracking back.

In my opinion it worked well for the first 20/25 minutes of the second half but as they pushed on more and more I personally would have taken Tevez off at 1-1 and replaced him with Rodwell leaving Yaya to get up and around Dzeko if we broke and giving the defensive 3 more cover.
 
ranxerox said:
I remember reading an article recently linked from zonalmarking.net that made clear a 3 man defence needs a fair amount of time to perfect. Not something easily imposed on a team used to playing 4 at the back. I think we're seeing evidence in all games this year that Mancini's experiments with it are causing problems. It could be part of why Kompany has looked out of form in all games.

Good summary of the tactical battle here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/09/19/real-madrid-3-2-manchester-city-second-half-switches-leave-city-tactics/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/09/19/ ... y-tactics/</a>

Interesting, and he concludes exactly the same as me:

But the key change came from Mancini. Maicon picked up an injury and had to be replaced, and Zabaleta was the natural replacement. When he entered the pitch, Zabaleta clearly signalled ‘3′ to his teammates – which hints that the previous formation had been slightly more flexible. (Mancini had definitely changed system at the break, but if he’d changed to a permanent three-man defence why would Zabaleta need to tell his teammates they were playing three at the back? He would have just replaced Maicon with no further tactical instructions required).

Zabaleta could have been the man to secure the win – Maicon was tired, and Zabaleta could have sat deep alongside the centre-backs and kept that side of the pitch quiet. However, he interpreted the wing-back role in a strange way – charging forward up the pitch unnecessarily (when City were ahead) and also getting drawn into very central positions, leaving the right flank completely bare.

City were now a shambles at the back, particularly down that flank. Kompany seemed completely unsure of his role, sometimes drifting too far towards the touchline (which left an unlikely centre-back pairing of Clichy and Nastasic in the centre), and sometimes remaining so central that Zabaleta was exposed two-versus-one by Ronaldo and Marcelo. Those two players had 15 shots between them over the course of the game – you expect that from Ronaldo, but the space afforded to Marcelo was extraordinary.

Real’s first and third goals came from their left – on both occasions, there simply weren’t enough City players on that side of the pitch. For that, both Mancini’s tinkering and Zabaleta’s poor positional play must take the blame.

Conclusion

The final 15 minutes of the game was unrecognisable from the first 15, and with such a frantic climax to the match, it could have gone either way. Better goalkeeping from Joe Hart, for example, and City would have come away with a result.

But there was a glaring problem with City’s right for the final 20 minutes of the match, with the very basic problem being that City were undermanned on that flank. Somewhere amongst (a) Mancini’s decision to change formation (b) his instructions to his players (c) and Zabaleta’s positioning, City had a clear weakness that was fully exploited by Real.
 
wayne71 said:
wolfie1988 said:
I thought he changed to 3 at the back straight after the break personally. In fact i was completely adamant he had but it wasn't picked up by the commentators nor have I seen it mentioned here. I was sure he'd moved Maicon out to wing back and Kolarov the same on the other side. Clichy went inside as part of the back 3 and Silva went up to play behind Tevez with Yaya advancing from midfield.

I thought it was strange nobody picked up on it but if you look back on the second half from the start and our shape when defending it looks like he changed it half time

When Zaba came on you can see him give the instruction for 5

Yeah I saw that too. Strange but it was just our shape at the start of the 2nd half defensively was different to the first half. I was probably mistaken to be honest it was just how I saw it at the time.

Its a lot less easy to make out formations on the tv than it is when you are there in the flesh as you only see sections of the pitch at a time so thats probably why i thought it
 
wolfie1988 said:
I thought he changed to 3 at the back straight after the break personally. In fact i was completely adamant he had but it wasn't picked up by the commentators nor have I seen it mentioned here. I was sure he'd moved Maicon out to wing back and Kolarov the same on the other side. Clichy went inside as part of the back 3 and Silva went up to play behind Tevez with Yaya advancing from midfield.

I thought it was strange nobody picked up on it but if you look back on the second half from the start and our shape when defending it looks like he changed it half time

You're right Wolfie he did...I hadn't noticed until my lad pointed it out....
 
uwe282828 said:
Nasri shouldnt of started,Kolarov onthe left side of midfield,Dzeko should of swapped with Tevez after 70 mins with Lescott on for Silva.we still would of created chances and been more solid at the back.Lots of mistakes made last night.both by Mancini and the players.never mind another big game at weekend
The left side wasn't our problem. Seriously it wasn't. Clichy and Kolarov played well together and had a good understanding of what the other was doing. Kompany let us down. I don't say that lightly either as he's my favorite player. But he let us down with piss-poor positioning. He stranded the RB/RWB constantly against the best wide left player in the entire world.
 
gazinho said:
Are you Andy Townsend??? We clearly went to 3 at the back at half time with Clichy slotting in alongside Nasti and Kompany with the latters job presumably to restrict Ronaldo's threat when he cut inside leaving Maicon pretty much 1 on 1 with Marcelo. He made the change in my eyes due to there being numerous occasions in the first half where Marcelo and Ronaldo had 2 on 1 situations against Maicon due to first Nasri then Silva not tracking back.

In my opinion it worked well for the first 20/25 minutes of the second half but as they pushed on more and more I personally would have taken Tevez off at 1-1 and replaced him with Rodwell leaving Yaya to get up and around Dzeko if we broke and giving the defensive 3 more cover.

No we didn't, We made the change when Zabaleta came on.
 
I find it amazing how differently fans see the same thing.

Looked to me like we went 3-5-2 when Kolarov came on, Clichy went more central.

As for Zabba, he got dragged inside for their first goal so Kompany went out wide to pick up Marcelo, who turns inside and shoots in the gap where Vinny should have been. When Marcelo receives the ball Zabba is in the D of our area, probably tracking Tranny, but she should have passed him on and maintained the shape.

Then for the third goal Tranny gets past Zabba far too easily.

The way I saw it, we played 3-5-2 since the 36th minute. When Maicon went off we hadn't conceded, Zabba comes on and we concede three. Not as black and white as that, but that's what happened.
 
taconinja said:
wolfie1988 said:
I thought he changed to 3 at the back straight after the break personally. In fact i was completely adamant he had but it wasn't picked up by the commentators nor have I seen it mentioned here. I was sure he'd moved Maicon out to wing back and Kolarov the same on the other side. Clichy went inside as part of the back 3 and Silva went up to play behind Tevez with Yaya advancing from midfield.

I thought it was strange nobody picked up on it but if you look back on the second half from the start and our shape when defending it looks like he changed it half time
He did and we went into a strange hybrid of a back 4 / back 3 as soon as Nasri went out. I think Michael Cox has the right of it and Kompany let several other players down with his positioning not to mention that ludicrous last goal.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/09/19/real-madrid-3-2-manchester-city-second-half-switches-leave-city-tactics/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/09/19/ ... y-tactics/</a>


That 2nd half formation shown there is exactly how i saw it.
 
taconinja said:
uwe282828 said:
Nasri shouldnt of started,Kolarov onthe left side of midfield,Dzeko should of swapped with Tevez after 70 mins with Lescott on for Silva.we still would of created chances and been more solid at the back.Lots of mistakes made last night.both by Mancini and the players.never mind another big game at weekend
The left side wasn't our problem. Seriously it wasn't. Clichy and Kolarov played well together and had a good understanding of what the other was doing. Kompany let us down. I don't say that lightly either as he's my favorite player. But he let us down with piss-poor positioning. He stranded the RB/RWB constantly against the best wide left player in the entire world.

Nonsense. Kompany was a victim of the system. He had to keep drifting out wide where he's not effective to try to cover the space that the new system had created.
 
wolfie1988 said:
wayne71 said:
wolfie1988 said:
I thought he changed to 3 at the back straight after the break personally. In fact i was completely adamant he had but it wasn't picked up by the commentators nor have I seen it mentioned here. I was sure he'd moved Maicon out to wing back and Kolarov the same on the other side. Clichy went inside as part of the back 3 and Silva went up to play behind Tevez with Yaya advancing from midfield.

I thought it was strange nobody picked up on it but if you look back on the second half from the start and our shape when defending it looks like he changed it half time

When Zaba came on you can see him give the instruction for 5

Yeah I saw that too. Strange but it was just our shape at the start of the 2nd half defensively was different to the first half. I was probably mistaken to be honest it was just how I saw it at the time.

Its a lot less easy to make out formations on the tv than it is when you are there in the flesh as you only see sections of the pitch at a time so thats probably why i thought it
No, you were right. This is speculation, but my take was Zaba's instruction was due to the fact that our back line seemed conflicted and weren't folding into a back three on the right side. He signaled a 3 because that's what we had been doing quite well on the left.
 

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