How do we prevent terrorism?

[Magicpole]

Not sure what you're saying here is true. I think it depends on to what extent they hold certain religious beliefs. Tim Farron subscribes to a branch of Christianity that believes every single word of the bible is true. It's understandable it would raise questions. There are plenty of people who identify as Christians who wouldn't describe homosexuality as sinful though or would have a problem with it. There are lots of passages of the bible that different Christians ignore e.g the bits that say you can kill people. You talk about "any muslim politician" but Sadiq Khan comes from a muslim background and it's pretty clear he has no issue at all with homosexuality. He hasn't just voted in favour of gay marriage, he has put himself at the forefront of the issue which he really didn't need to do if he privately had a problem with it.

Fallon believes Lotts wife literally turned into a pillar of salt. That a guy survived inside a whale, and so on and so forth. I bet he's stopped eating prawn cocktail and wearing mixed fibre cardigans.

He should be in a fucking straight jacket as should all his dozy **** fellow nutters for actually believing such insanity.

This mofo could theoretically have been the PM of this country! Just think about it, our top honcho denies evolution, thinks the world is 6,000 years old?

Straight jacket and electro shock therapy never mind resign the leadership that mad cult twat.

 

[CitizenTID]

I'm gonna take a more forthright stance like I haven't before: Islam needs reform. I keep seeing profiles of muslims on Facebook (making comments on news in my feed) refer to "non-believers" in a derogatory tone, label the west "Crusaders" etc. Glorify past islamic conquests - loads of these profiles have a "caliphate" map stretching from half of Africa and all of Iberia, everything of Kazakstan and below and all the islands between Thailand and Papa New Guinea. All the hallmarks extremists share but diluted versions of these attitudes are shared by a lot of typically young males in the communities here.

Islam in the past has had welcoming, secular societies etc. but now too much of it has been warped into this crusader/jihad mindset that is just not applicable to today as there are no crusaders or foreign countries acting upon religious beliefs in the middle east. Not most of Islam is warped, but too much and growing. We're at a crossroads in history with this - you've got all this whilst you have forces trying to turn Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and more into Islamic dictatorships. Then you have Erdogan fantasising of an Ottoman Empire MKII and making obscene comments encouraging Turks to outbreed Europeans in their own countries and become the wealthy classes. "You are the future of Europe" are his words.

Whilst avoiding the bile and guarding against hate speech, we need to knock our heads together (the west), realise the realities of current affairs objectively and take some serious preventative measures before it gets out of hand.

P.S. I reported one of these guys on Facebook and there was zero reference to extremist posts or the like. Companies like Facebook are meant to be a help to the authorities with this stuff but only had options for reporting the typical - pornography etc.

P.P.S. WTF is the thing with including Iberia in their fantasies the eejts? They were invaders. In fact they've been invaders of most of the places on their map.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

It#s probably helpful if people differentiate between:

Tim Farron, soon to be ex-leader of the Liberal Democrats
and
Michael Fallon (Sir), the Defence Secretary.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Fallon believes Lotts wife literally turned into a pillar of salt. That a guy survived inside a whale, and so on and so forth. I bet he's stopped eating prawn cocktail and wearing mixed fibre cardigans.

He should be in a fucking straight jacket as should all his dozy **** fellow nutters for actually believing such insanity.

This mofo could theoretically have been the PM of this country! Just think about it, our top honcho denies evolution, thinks the world is 6,000 years old?

Straight jacket and electro shock therapy never mind resign the leadership that mad cult twat.

You should calm down. You don't know that he believes any of that stuff.
Either that, or write to the Daily Star. I expect they have page for this type of thing!

 

[Damocles]

Although I agree with the rest of what you say, there is scope to act as ww suggests.
We could immediately incarcerate the hundreds who have travelled to Syria to join IS, and now that that
despicable group are getting hammered, have now decided to scuttle back to nicely tolerant Blighty.
By doing so, they've committed a crime, indeed been involved either directly or by association, with heinous
atrocities, so are not blameless. We are now in the ridiculous, and terrifying situation of having numerous murderous
nutters who wish death upon us literally walking our streets, and a home security service having to monitor their
every movement, a totally impossible task, unless we have a massive security force akin to the Gestapo.

The problem is the separation for people who went to Syria for innocent reasons and those who went to fight for ISIS. Potential terrorists aren't known for their honesty.

This will ultimately lead to jailing innocent people which is the worst crime our Government can commit against its citizens. Especially one so heavily linked to race, religion or culture.

And to be honest there's been people who want to kill you marching around Britain for a few thousand years. Shit, the far left feel so emboldened now they're talking about legally stealing houses, purging non-believers and punishing the rich. Safety has always been an illusion of ignorance.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I'm gonna take a more forthright stance like I haven't before: Islam needs reform. I keep seeing profiles of muslims on Facebook (making comments on news in my feed) refer to "non-believers" in a derogatory tone, label the west "Crusaders" etc. Glorify past islamic conquests - loads of these profiles have a "caliphate" map stretching from half of Africa and all of Iberia, everything of Kazakstan and below and all the islands between Thailand and Papa New Guinea. All the hallmarks extremists share but you diluted versions of these attitudes are shared by a lot of typically young males in the communities here.

Islam in the past has had welcoming, secular societies etc. but now too much of it has been warped into this crusader/jihad mindset that is just not applicable to today as there are no crusaders or foreign countries acting upon religious beliefs in the middle east. Not most of Islam is warped, but too much and growing. We're at a crossroads in history with this - you've got all this whilst you have forces trying to turn Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and more into Islamic dictatorships. Then you have Erdogan fantasising of an Ottoman Empire MKII and making obscene comments encouraging Turks to outbreed Europeans in their own countries and become the power. "You are the future of Europe" are his words.

Whilst avoiding the bile and guarding against hate speech, we need to knock our heads together (the west), realise the realities of current affairs objectively and take some serious preventative measures before it gets out of hand.

P.S. I reported one of these guys on Facebook and there was zero reference to extremist posts or the like. Companies like Facebook are meant to be a help to the authorities with this stuff but only had options for reporting the typical - pornography etc.

Also P.S. WTF is the thing with including Iberia in their fantasies the eejts? They were invaders. In fact they've been invaders of most of the places on their map.

I suspect if you look on Westboro Baptist Church members facebook, you'll find ludicrously inflammatory statements.

Reacting from the lunatic fringe serves no purpose other than to please and reinforce the lunatics.

What Islam could do with is Saudi Arabia and Iran not being at loggerheads permanently, not the west to steam in with "preventative measures", whatever that might be (I'm unsure, can such measures be measured in explosive power?)

 

[Damocles]

I'm gonna take a more forthright stance like I haven't before: Islam needs reform. I keep seeing profiles of muslims on Facebook (making comments on news in my feed) refer to "non-believers" in a derogatory tone, label the west "Crusaders" etc. Glorify past islamic conquests - loads of these profiles have a "caliphate" map stretching from half of Africa and all of Iberia, everything of Kazakstan and below and all the islands between Thailand and Papa New Guinea. All the hallmarks extremists share but you diluted versions of these attitudes are shared by a lot of typically young males in the communities here.

Do you report these people to counter terrorism?

 

[worsleyweb]

Just to be clear here mate, you're asking that freedom of expression should be further limited and that we should jail people who haven't actually committed a crime.

That's a line that I and many others do not feel is crossable. Like the comparison or not, this sort of thing was exactly how Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler rose to power in the first place.

Our values are worthless if they're negotiable. It's our strength of belief in the Western democratic values, even when we don't like the outcome of them, that makes them so worthy of our protection against people like Islamic State.

People should never trade freedom for a feeling of security. It's the biggest mistakes that societies make and it never, ever, ever ends well. We are not so cowardly a nation that we need to sacrifice our hard fought rights in order to stop this enemy.

I get you point in some way but in this instance and this instance alone i think someone flouting an isis flag and taking about Jihad and other such crap merits what i am saying - why not make it a criminal offence to support ISIS opening in public. It is almost an act of treason? If it saved the life of those young girls at the concert that night it is worth it. I think supporting such wicked acts is not a hard fought right but a wicked abomination. I accept there has to be a line - but lets draw it so people know what is not acceptable.

 

[CitizenTID]

Do you report these people to counter terrorism?

I'll look into how to go about that now

 

[mancity1]

Stop man kinds ability to think.

Seriously mans inhumanity to man is inherent to mans DNA.

Most humans know how to live a peaceful life without the need for violence under any guise but the thought and desire to commit acts of terrorism as we refer to it now is always present.

As long as mankind has the means to kill and maim he will in any guise we are able to define.

He does so to fellow man and to flora and fauna and has done so since he first inhabited the Earth.

Its done in the name of war , the name of vengeance, the name of liberty , the name of ones right and freedom to live the life he desires to live or the life chosen for him by others.

Terrorism is just another expression of man's inhumanity to man be they ideological , religious , indoctrinated or racial guises.

No pacifist like myself wants it nor give it any oxygen in human thought or desire but the world is not full of human beings like myself and never will be.

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