Elections

[The perfect fumble]

Fair enough if you think i am mistaken but equally i think the odious cretins on the right that own or head most of the mainstream media have shot their bolt. The BBC is nothing but a video-log for the tories, we know the people making the decisions there are linked or worked for the tories. One of the funniest things of the night was Kuenssberg orgasming her way to try and trip up MacDonald with the exclusive of a labour quote. He smiled and said he had written it. The coverage fuckin stunk that night. You have the Mail so institutionally racist it had Hitler for a mate trying to hector others on how to behave and then of course Murdoch and the lies produced time after time. If someone looked at the night in that prism, yes it would have been a disaster.
However back in the real world. 2012 was declared a monumental watershed for Labour and how well it did, on balance no councils were lost, the tories lost three times the seats and Labour won all the Mayoral elections. We were told it was the end and Labour would lose hundreds, it never happened, which was my point.
Since the vote, things have amazingly got even worse for BNP lite. Gidiot reckoned Goldstein's London campaign was banter, it was deeply racist and we will wait for the suspension that will never come as that party is ingrained racist. The election fraud of last year has suddenly become news after the election despite it having been noticed earlier. We will now see some tory head of police be investigated by her own force. Fuck me, if that had been Corbyn the toys would be everywhere. Twenty four recorded cases that need an investigation. Could have been done by the tories but they couldn't be arsed so now hopefully the truth will come out and the 24 of them will be off to jail, triggering another election.
Still running Wales and still dealing with a Scotland running on a SNP wave, not entirely concerned with Scotland. Could have been better but there we go, just get on with the rebuilding there.

No Johnny, far from a shambles but again another example of the those that say JC is unelectable getting it badly wrong. If you listen to the moaners and the press he would have failed in his bid to be leader, he was out before winter, then Xmas, then the coup after the election night, it really is utter shite whilst Call me Dim is sleep walking his party into prison or oblivion, either will do.

I can think of no other Labour leader (including Kinnock) who has had to endure such a wave of non-stop smearing in the media, even in my beloved New Statesman, that I've ditched with a heavy heart, having had it delivered since the early 80's.

Given this torrent of negative coverage it is a testimony to Labour's appeal under Corbyn that the party has achieved what it has at the ballot box.

 

[The perfect fumble]

If the Leavers win, Johnson will definitely be the next PM but of a government driven further to the right as moderate cabinet ministers are replaced by rabid Leavers. The unions will then scent the chance of winning the next election and will very quickly ditch Corbyn with someone who the country might actually vote for.

I don't think you and I live in the same country.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Actually we don't, Blair did not depose Michael Foot, Kinnock and Smith were his predecessors. New Labour was a cure to a disease the party did not have, something people like you, whoever people like you are, continue to ignore. The Labour party has not been hijacked, or infiltrated, the scale of Corbyn's victory is testimony to that, again something you ignore.

Corbyn was elected using a mechanism championed by the right in the party after the blessed David was denied the leadership because of the union vote back in 2010, every one of Corbyn's leadership competitors voted for it.

The painful truth is the only people in denial are people like you, to go on endlessly about Corbyn supporters as if they are a minority in the party is gobsmacking, it is you that are in a minority, assuming you are in the party, if you are not, painful as it seems the Labour party is under no obligation to morph itself into whatever might be acceptable to you, that's not how it works.

You might say if that is the case then the Labour party is doomed never to be in government, that is simply not realistic.The country will tire of the Tories, it always does. The Labour party has to be in a position to capture the imagination of the voters in 2020, or 2025, but whatever party emerges to fight the Tories it will not be Blairite, they're done, if you were in the party you'd know that.

In the end a party has to stand for something, what that something is, is still in the mix, what is happening right now is not about Corbyn, but about the death pangs of Blairism as they come to terms with their own demise, and their inability to accept that for them the party is literally over, until they do they will continue to damage the party, if they were to constructively engage then the party might well be more to their liking in 2020, all their carping does is draw battle lines and a party divided never succeeds.

My advice, if you will take it, is if you care for the party then get with the programme and change the party from within, if your arguments hold water they'll prevail, the party has not gone mad, it wants to be in government, but not at any price.

The only other advice I'd give is ditch hard left, far left labels, with the exception of the odd Trot here and there it's Daily Mail speak.

Maybe it was the tone of my post that has given you the wrong impression, but I am not a Labour supporter, although eons ago I was. However,
I certainly do have an affection for what it was, and could be, and I think every sound thinking individual looks for an effective opposition, and this country
to my mind is well served by centrist government, continually under scrutiny from effective opposition. Every Conservative I know is cock a hoop
about Corbyn being Labour leader, I'm sure Cameron is, together with all his MP's, this was never the case under Blair, who's PMQ's performances, together
with a Barrister's acute reasoning and a shysters mendacity made him a formidable opponent.
We're never going to agree, you feel Corbyn is the one, fair enough, personally I think he's a disaster; we'll see who is right come 2020.

 

[The perfect fumble]

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Maybe it was the tone of my post that has given you the wrong impression, but I am not a Labour supporter, although eons ago I was. However,
I certainly do have an affection for what it was, and could be, and I think every sound thinking individual looks for an effective opposition, and this country
to my mind is well served by centrist government, continually under scrutiny from effective opposition. Every Conservative I know is cock a hoop
about Corbyn being Labour leader, I'm sure Cameron is, together with all his MP's, this was never the case under Blair, who's PMQ's performances, together
with a Barrister's acute reasoning and a shysters mendacity made him a formidable opponent.
We're never going to agree, you feel Corbyn is the one, fair enough, personally I think he's a disaster; we'll see who is right come 2020.

I see where you are coming from now, but, on the contrary, I don't think Corbyn is the one, as I posted earlier....

"We are now in the interregnum, between what went before and what is to come, the left is in the ascendancy, but this is merely a cleansing process for the party, while it rids itself of the Blairites and re-sets to become a truly representative Social Democratic Party"

This is the man to watch.....

The Labour party is a broad church, a social democratic party with an identity crisis, it is not a socialist party, but it does have socialists in it. The Blairites attempted to eradicate the socialist tradition in the party, they failed and they are now suffering the backlash.

The process we are witnessing is a re-set for the party, what will emerge will not be Corbyn, or a Corbyn clone, it certainly won't be a Blair clone, but the creation of a genuine social democratic party at ease with itself and the electorate.

 

[west didsblue]

Fair enough if you think i am mistaken but equally i think the odious cretins on the right that own or head most of the mainstream media have shot their bolt. The BBC is nothing but a video-log for the tories, we know the people making the decisions there are linked or worked for the tories. One of the funniest things of the night was Kuenssberg orgasming her way to try and trip up MacDonald with the exclusive of a labour quote. He smiled and said he had written it. The coverage fuckin stunk that night. You have the Mail so institutionally racist it had Hitler for a mate trying to hector others on how to behave and then of course Murdoch and the lies produced time after time. If someone looked at the night in that prism, yes it would have been a disaster.
However back in the real world. 2012 was declared a monumental watershed for Labour and how well it did, on balance no councils were lost, the tories lost three times the seats and Labour won all the Mayoral elections. We were told it was the end and Labour would lose hundreds, it never happened, which was my point.
Since the vote, things have amazingly got even worse for BNP lite. Gidiot reckoned Goldstein's London campaign was banter, it was deeply racist and we will wait for the suspension that will never come as that party is ingrained racist. The election fraud of last year has suddenly become news after the election despite it having been noticed earlier. We will now see some tory head of police be investigated by her own force. Fuck me, if that had been Corbyn the toys would be everywhere. Twenty four recorded cases that need an investigation. Could have been done by the tories but they couldn't be arsed so now hopefully the truth will come out and the 24 of them will be off to jail, triggering another election.
Still running Wales and still dealing with a Scotland running on a SNP wave, not entirely concerned with Scotland. Could have been better but there we go, just get on with the rebuilding there.

No Johnny, far from a shambles but again another example of the those that say JC is unelectable getting it badly wrong. If you listen to the moaners and the press he would have failed in his bid to be leader, he was out before winter, then Xmas, then the coup after the election night, it really is utter shite whilst Call me Dim is sleep walking his party into prison or oblivion, either will do.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Believe it or not it is.

The Conservative party has been hijacked by Thatcherism, a particularly nasty version of neoliberalism that until Thatcher became PM was not integral to the Tory Party.

Neoliberalism sees competition as the defining characteristic of human relations. It redefines citizens as consumers, whose democratic choices are best exercised by buying and selling, a process that rewards merit and punishes inefficiency. It maintains that “the market” delivers benefits that could never be achieved by planning.

Attempts to limit competition are treated as inimical to liberty. Tax and regulation should be minimised, public services should be privatised. The organisation of labour and collective bargaining by trade unions are portrayed as market distortions that impede the formation of a natural hierarchy of winners and losers. Inequality is recast as virtuous: a reward for utility and a generator of wealth, which trickles down to enrich everyone. Efforts to create a more equal society are both counterproductive and morally corrosive. The market ensures that everyone gets what they deserve.

This is what this government stands for, it is a tough sell. In the years in opposition Cameron spent most of his time detoxifying the Tory brand, which is another way of saying he concocted a fantasy around compassionate conservatism so that they could pursue their neoliberal agenda once in power. Now that they are no longer hobbled by the Lib Dems that is exactly what they are doing.

Well now we have a party, the Labour Party, that stands in opposition to that, so everything is indeed positive.

It is no coincidence that the media attacks Corbyn on a daily basis, they fear him because he exposes every day what the real agenda of this government is.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Believe it or not it is.

The Conservative party has been hijacked by Thatcherism, a particularly nasty version of neoliberalism that until Thatcher became PM was not integral to the Tory Party.

Neoliberalism sees competition as the defining characteristic of human relations. It redefines citizens as consumers, whose democratic choices are best exercised by buying and selling, a process that rewards merit and punishes inefficiency. It maintains that “the market” delivers benefits that could never be achieved by planning.

Attempts to limit competition are treated as inimical to liberty. Tax and regulation should be minimised, public services should be privatised. The organisation of labour and collective bargaining by trade unions are portrayed as market distortions that impede the formation of a natural hierarchy of winners and losers. Inequality is recast as virtuous: a reward for utility and a generator of wealth, which trickles down to enrich everyone. Efforts to create a more equal society are both counterproductive and morally corrosive. The market ensures that everyone gets what they deserve.

This is what this government stands for, it is a tough sell. In the years in opposition Cameron spent most of his time detoxifying the Tory brand, which is another way of saying he concocted a fantasy around compassionate conservatism so that they could pursue their neoliberal agenda once in power. Now that they are no longer hobbled by the Lib Dems that is exactly what they are doing.

Well now we have a party, the Labour Party, that stands in opposition to that, so everything is indeed positive.

It is no coincidence that the media attacks Corbyn on a daily basis, they fear him because he exposes every day what the real agenda of this government is.

The most amusing thing is the number of u turns and failures to understand the law that the tories have been hammered with under pressure from Corbyn.
Since Dim was left alone with the crayons there have been failures in the following and the list is not restricted to:

Tax credit cuts
Disability benefit cuts
Forcing schools to become academies
Junior doctors' contracts
Sunday trading laws
Fox hunting
Stopping in-work benefits for EU migrants
Saudi Arabian prisons
Withdrawing from the European Convention on Human Rights
Police cuts
Trade union restrictions

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...t-cuts-junior-doctors-academies-a7018276.html





The you look at the shambles that was Zac Goldsmith



An absolute car wreck of a party.

 

[The perfect fumble]

The most amusing thing is the number of u turns and failures to understand the law that the tories have been hammered with under pressure from Corbyn.
Since Dim was left alone with the crayons there have been failures in the following and the list is not restricted to:

Tax credit cuts
Disability benefit cuts
Forcing schools to become academies
Junior doctors' contracts
Sunday trading laws
Fox hunting
Stopping in-work benefits for EU migrants
Saudi Arabian prisons
Withdrawing from the European Convention on Human Rights
Police cuts
Trade union restrictions

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...t-cuts-junior-doctors-academies-a7018276.html





The you look at the shambles that was Zac Goldsmith



An absolute car wreck of a party.

Everything you say is correct. Given the enormous pressure Corbyn is under with constant attacks from every corner of the establishment, never ending 24/7, his list of achievements are astounding.

I have dealings with a particular government department on a daily basis, despite the fact that these crooks are pursuing a particularly virulent form of ideologically driven class warfare, I suppose we must count it as a perverse blessing that they are to a man and woman complete dolts.

 

[cibaman]

The most amusing thing is the number of u turns and failures to understand the law that the tories have been hammered with under pressure from Corbyn.
Since Dim was left alone with the crayons there have been failures in the following and the list is not restricted to:

Tax credit cuts
Disability benefit cuts
Forcing schools to become academies
Junior doctors' contracts
Sunday trading laws
Fox hunting
Stopping in-work benefits for EU migrants
Saudi Arabian prisons
Withdrawing from the European Convention on Human Rights
Police cuts
Trade union restrictions

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...t-cuts-junior-doctors-academies-a7018276.html





The you look at the shambles that was Zac Goldsmith



An absolute car wreck of a party.

I agree. Labour really should be out of sight in the polls.

 

[The perfect fumble]

There's no point in lying any more, now the election is over...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36272269

Cameron sorry over 'IS' cleric comment

David Cameron has apologised for "any misunderstanding" after describing a former imam as a supporter of the Islamic State group.

He accused Sulaiman Ghani in Parliament of backing the militant group as he questioned Sadiq Khan's judgement in sharing a platform with him.

Mr Ghani has said claims he backs IS are defamatory and must be retracted.

Earlier on Wednesday, Defence Secretary Michael Fallon apologised for making similar claims.