'Alfie's army' Alder hey protest

I heard one of this mob was shouting burn it down.

If the quality of your life is going to be zero and actually painful I think it's cruel to continue the child's life.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I’ve been in the horrible position of having to agree to my child’s life support system being turned off so I’m in more of a position to judge than most. Even then, I’m not going to judge the parents over that because I’m not in their shoes. My daughter had been starved of oxygen and had suffered a cardiac arrest during the birth. She was incapable of breathing on her own or maintaining a heartbeat without cardiac massage so it was an awful but straightforward decision. I also have friends who had a boy who had something called Tay Sachs Disease, which is a degenerative neurological condition seemingly not dissimilar to the one Alfie has. He got progressively worse and died when he was 5 years old. It wasn't a pleasant pathway either. So I suspect that poor young boy hasn't any realistic prospect of having any sort of life that doesn't involve an early death. There's no known cure for his condition, which they're not even sure about, but there's a potential treatment that could possibly prolong his life for a short while.

Having been there, a part of me obviously has sympathy for the parents for the pain they're going through but another, far larger part of me thinks “What are you hoping to gain from this? Let it go”. Yet if they think there’s a hope of salvaging something then I also think that Alder Hey should say “Fine. If that’s what you want to do then do it. Let the Italian doctors come to get him and then he’s their and your responsibility”. Who are they doing this for - Alfie or themselves? I suspect it's the latter. Sometimes, however much it hurts, you have to listen to advice that may not be what you want to hear.

But no way should their supporters be impacting normal life at Alder Hey. That's completely out of order & I've lost all respect for the parents, who seem to be encouraging this, whether implicitly or explicitly. I can understand them wanting the best for their child but not completely abandoning their dignity to pursue that.
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Whilst everything you say is right, the docs responsibility is to the boy and not the parents. It’s beyond cruel to make him keep going on so they can take him to Italy. The church don’t help either, saying God wants to give him a chance even though, in their world at least, God surely gave him the degenerative brain condition. As you say, people who haven’t been there cannot know but having 250 members of ‘Alfie’s Army’ intimidating staff and parents is terrible. Rumour had it today that they wanted to set off the fire alarms so the hospital has to be evacuated. The world gets a little bit madder every day.
 
Damocles said:
Yes.

You're missing one thing - they think they're right.

Put yourself in their shoes. In their eyes, a young and innocent boy has been sentenced to execution by the State against the wishes of his parents.

If I truly believed that then I'd be stood next to them and I presume you and most other Bluemooners would too.

They're wrong but they don't know this. If you forget that fact then their behaviour makes sense. I'll remind you that on another thread, it is a commonly held opinion that the UK Government has purposely and actively discriminated against some Afro-Caribbean immigrants from 70 years ago in order to kick a small number of black people out of the country in the largest case of electoral suicide in history. Purposely, actively and directly. Have sat down in meetings and passed memos to each other with "kick out the darkies" and such stuff attached to it. When your outrage culture outweighs your critical thinking then you end up with stupid opinions. These people have all got their own NHS conspiracies that are just as real and just as stupid.
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Yup, spot on post
 
Tanzeylee said:
Didn’t it kick off the other week outside the hospital and some of the poor lads ‘supporters’ were harnessing staff and visitors
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Yep. Ive spent over a year living at alder hey combined looking after my son so know plenty of people who work there and people who are there a lot with their kids. Doctors and nurses have been abused and parents and their children have had their lives made even more difficult by these people. Whatever they think, they have no right to be doing that. I may be wrong but if this boy was at any other children's hospital in uk, I don't think this behaviour would be happening.
 
Damocles said:
Yes.

You're missing one thing - they think they're right.

Put yourself in their shoes. In their eyes, a young and innocent boy has been sentenced to execution by the State against the wishes of his parents.

If I truly believed that then I'd be stood next to them and I presume you and most other Bluemooners would too.

They're wrong but they don't know this. If you forget that fact then their behaviour makes sense. I'll remind you that on another thread, it is a commonly held opinion that the UK Government has purposely and actively discriminated against some Afro-Caribbean immigrants from 70 years ago in order to kick a small number of black people out of the country in the largest case of electoral suicide in history. Purposely, actively and directly. Have sat down in meetings and passed memos to each other with "kick out the darkies" and such stuff attached to it. When your outrage culture outweighs your critical thinking then you end up with stupid opinions. These people have all got their own NHS conspiracies that are just as real and just as stupid.
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Id actually vote for you.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
Yep. Ive spent over a year living at alder hey combined looking after my son so know plenty of people who work there and people who are there a lot with their kids. Doctors and nurses have been abused and parents and their children have had their lives made even more difficult by these people. Whatever they think, they have no right to be doing that. I may be wrong but if this boy was at any other children's hospital in uk, I don't think this behaviour would be happening.
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Jesus h, so this has been on going from the other week I thought it was just a couple of isolated incidents(not that that makes it any better) and best of luck to your son.
 
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Apart from one small comment from the parents of little Alfie they have been very quiet. That in itself is a disgrace and they are condoning this mindless stupid behaviour. The mob have no thought for any other child or parent in that hospital. Sadly it is a scouse disease, weird people. You can be having a normal conversation with a scouser but if you dare criticise another scouser to them they will turn on you.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Rumour had it today that they wanted to set off the fire alarms so the hospital has to be evacuated
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I'd consider that attempted murder - 1 count to be levied for every patient connected to support machinery, under general anaesthetic or in an ICU at the time of the event. Any deaths caused should be treated as premeditated murder.
 
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