Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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Gaylord du Bois said:
Nothing to worry about, it's all part of the game...
http://www.cityam.com/261687/war-gaming-brexit-prepare-canada-style-deal-nothing
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There is a lot in that which is really quite obvious - and for a while now a very hard Brexit has been the likely 'best deal' that is available.

The reasons for this (blame if you like) lies foursquare with the attitude of the EU - there is not a lot that the UK could/can do about this - other than to just go belly-up and accede the EU's demands.

We have also set out our course and are sticking with it - despite, so far, the best efforts of those with vested interests to undermine the UK's position. We have set out our stall and with the defeating of the wrecker 'meaningful vote' amendment then the UK has secured the only negotiating position from which there may be a positive outcome - the clear and viable option to 'walk-away'.

The UK should not be overly-phased, we need to follow the journey with resolution and free ourselves of the EU yoke to allow us to then plot a self-determined future.

The EU were never ever going to offer anything whilst they had the ability to present a 'stand-off'. With the issue of A50, they are down to their 'remaining stand-off card' - the stance of no negotiations until agreement on the exit bill.

We simply have to face that down and demand, with equal insistence, that there will be no discussion on 'money' until we have agreed a framework for the negotiations that we are satisfied with.

It might actually get that simple - neither party budge and the talks breakdown and we walk-away - with our money. Until the EU face that risk and with it the consequences for all the investment initiatives they have already committed themselves to they will likely not budge.

We just need to back our negotiating team and be prepared for a deal of project fear and doom-mongering rumours. The intransigence will flow from them and only our strength of will and determination will make them budge. We need to shift from us to the EU the 'mantle of trepidation' about the talks failing.
 
smudgedj said:
Gove talking sense who would have thought it. Nothing wrong about testing on animals. I'd go further and remove any ethic problems about the CRISPR technology and human embryos.
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thats fine if you don't intend to trade those goods into the EU. If you do you could get a cold shoulder to you overtures of competitively priced goods that come from outside the EU.
 
mcfc1632 said:
There is a lot in that which is really quite obvious - and for a while now a very hard Brexit has been the likely 'best deal' that is available.

The reasons for this (blame if you like) lies foursquare with the attitude of the EU - there is not a lot that the UK could/can do about this - other than to just go belly-up and accede the EU's demands.

We have also set out our course and are sticking with it - despite, so far, the best efforts of those with vested interests to undermine the UK's position. We have set out our stall and with the defeating of the wrecker 'meaningful vote' amendment then the UK has secured the only negotiating position from which there may be a positive outcome - the clear and viable option to 'walk-away'.

The UK should not be overly-phased, we need to follow the journey with resolution and free ourselves of the EU yoke to allow us to then plot a self-determined future.

The EU were never ever going to offer anything whilst they had the ability to present a 'stand-off'. With the issue of A50, they are down to their 'remaining stand-off card' - the stance of no negotiations until agreement on the exit bill.

We simply have to face that down and demand, with equal insistence, that there will be no discussion on 'money' until we have agreed a framework for the negotiations that we are satisfied with.

It might actually get that simple - neither party budge and the talks breakdown and we walk-away - with our money. Until the EU face that risk and with it the consequences for all the investment initiatives they have already committed themselves to they will likely not budge.

We just need to back our negotiating team and be prepared for a deal of project fear and doom-mongering rumours. The intransigence will flow from them and only our strength of will and determination will make them budge. We need to shift from us to the EU the 'mantle of trepidation' about the talks failing.
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This is perhaps where the EU has gone wrong, there will be many countries in the EU such as Ireland who will remain heavily reliant on UK trade staying strong. For the EU to ignore this and go ahead without a good deal will leave a very bad taste in the mouths of many. It is fine for Germany to stand strong but what about countries like Italy or Spain who regard British trade as vital.

What the EU cannot accept at this stage is perhaps what will save it and that is reform, if every country could trade amicably and also set it's own pathways then maybe just maybe everyone would embrace it.

Personally I think trade and most elements of our relationship with the EU will carry on as it does now because common sense should prevail. If it does not then it is a two-way street, a bad deal will not benefit either of us.
 
inbetween said:
.....If it does not then it is a two-way street, a bad deal will not benefit either of us.
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Indeed. If that is the case, the pain on both sides will not be distributed equitably. The pain the EU will suffer will be shared across 27 countries, some more than others. We will feel it more than anyone else.
 
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