General Election June 8th

[blue cigar]

Tory promises that turn out to be lies....they'll be appearing any day soon, watch the press folks. Happens every election and people always fall for it.

 

[urban genie]

Because he's an authoritarian who is attempting to act as a Gatekeeper for City support. People do this all the time actually; you can't be a proper City fan unless you're from Manchester, or unless you've been going since Colin Bell was playing, or unless you go to X number of games, or unless you are working class, or unless you sing X amount of songs at Y decibels or even if you sit in the right section of the ground.

This is actually quite a big issue in our support that needs to be addressed in the future.

You forgot unless you was at york, tut tut ;-)

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Because he's an authoritarian who is attempting to act as a Gatekeeper for City support. People do this all the time actually; you can't be a proper City fan unless you're from Manchester, or unless you've been going since Colin Bell was playing, or unless you go to X number of games, or unless you are working class, or unless you sing X amount of songs at Y decibels or even if you sit in the right section of the ground.

This is actually quite a big issue in our support that needs to be addressed in the future.

Totally agree.

anyway I could not care a jot who city fans vote for. It's up to them.

 

[Xiphos]

Tory promises that turn out to be lies....they'll be appearing any day soon, watch the press folks. Happens every election and people always fall for it.

Maybe but they will still win...easily
May's nose could grow like Pinocchio's whilst stood on a podium spouting said lies but it won't make one iota of difference because they will still win ....easily
No matter what the BBC, Guardian, i, New Statesman, Tribune or Socialist Worker say or print they will still win...easily
No matter how many students or rabid swivel eyed loony lefties pack out that piss soaked scruffy old tramp Corbyn's stage managed rallies they will still win ....easily
Enjoy

 

[Vic]

That's overly simple and not comparing like for like.

£1m as a bonus for an addition rate tax payer gives £450,000 directly to the tax man.

Th same amount to 1000 or 100 basic rate payers gives £200,000 to HMRC.

No one was talking about tax relief, simply revenue from income tax on an amount of £1m.

You've unnecessarily complicated a simple point - but of course it's about tax relief, as the Tories cut benefits to fund lower taxes for the rich.

OK, let's play. You either give poor people a million pounds or you give rich people half a million. Do the rich need another half-million? No. How are they going to spend it? Where are they going to spend it? Villas abroad? Holidays abroad? A yacht? Lots of work for the UK there. http://www.superyachts.com/directory/yacht-builders.htm Even canal narrowboats are now made in Poland.

Give it in benefits and most of it will be spent in Britain, a lot at 20% VAT (a regressive tax that proportionate to income is higher for the poor than the rich), in shops where the workers on their meagre wages will buy other stuff in Britain.

Is that complicated enough?

 

[law74]

I see the point quite easily due to its sheer simplicity. The lazy or feckless as another poster put it are more of a burden than the 1% he is stating. There are plenty of people who are unwilling to help themselves yet the left try to portray these people in a different light.

About 12 years ago I worked in administrating JSA, one woman about her early 50's HATED me, she knew if she was called to my desk I would "force" her to apply for jobs. She had resigned herself to the fact that no one could possibly want to employ her at her age, her self confidence and self esteem was gone, & she seemed to no longer care about almost anything in life, but, she had to apply for jobs because if not I would give her a hard time.
I then got my transfer away from working with benefits.
2 years later I was visiting another office for a week, Monday morning at teatime I was sitting with my coffee and toast when I seen her walk into the staff canteen, the table I was at was full so I could avoid her. Tuesday morning I'm sitting at the table alone when she came in and asked if she could share my table, she asked if I remembered her, I said that I did as she had signed in the office I worked in. She told me that she had hated having to deal with me, but if it hadn't been for me, she probably wouldn't have been there.
One of the jobs I had "forced" her to apply for she had got, giving her back a sense of self esteem and a reason to get up each day.
This can be replicated many many thousands of times up and down the country.
Often all the long term unemployed need is for someone to give them a chance, someone to believe in them.
Not people to think of them as nothing more than a drain on resources.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Still haven't got over having you're arse handed to you on a plate yet. Apart from being unwilling to admit when you're wrong and a frail ego any other character traits we can help you with?

Deflection again I see.

 

[SWP's back]

You either give poor people a million pounds or you give rich people half a million. Do the rich need another half-million?

One doesn't 'give' anyone anything. That's where you get confused.

Is that complicated enough?

Far too complicated by the looks of it as you are labouring under the false representation that large salaries and bonuses are gifted rather than earned.

To take it back to football, surely it's of more benefit if we give most of Yaya's salary to the players of League 2? They'd spend it in the Uk and not take it back to the Ivory Coast or similar.

As to how the rich spend their money (for it is theirs), that's entirely up to them. If they've paid their tax due then it's no one else's business.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Interesting campaign style is coming out on the news this morning. Spreadsheet Phil saying he needs more scope to raise taxes - VAT and income tax look like his preferred tools - and May confirming the overseas aid budget will remain uncut but refusing to confirm the triple lock on pensions remains sacrosanct. Have they read any of the figures from the previous elections and seen who votes for them and why?

It looks more and more like the election isn't so much about smashing Labour as to her shoring up her position with a bigger majority as there are bad times ahead as Brexit bites.
This is evidenced by Trumpy cosying up to the EU and Merkel - neither of which he likes - and saying he will deal with them on trade before us because he knows the bigger market to sell US goods into is far more attractive if the US are to export more goods than the UK alone. All that hand holding appears to be for nothing and our ever capable foreign secretarys judgement fails again.

 

[mcfc1632]

Interesting campaign style is coming out on the news this morning. Spreadsheet Phil saying he needs more scope to raise taxes - VAT and income tax look like his preferred tools - and May confirming the overseas aid budget will remain uncut but refusing to confirm the triple lock on pensions remains sacrosanct. Have they read any of the figures from the previous elections and seen who votes for them and why?

It looks more and more like the election isn't so much about smashing Labour as to her shoring up her position with a bigger majority as there are bad times ahead as Brexit bites.
This is evidenced by Trumpy cosying up to the EU and Merkel - neither of which he likes - and saying he will deal with them on trade before us because he knows the bigger market to sell US goods into is far more attractive if the US are to export more goods than the UK alone. All that hand holding appears to be for nothing and our ever capable foreign secretarys judgement fails again.

Making preparations for the coming years, including having the ability to make difficult decisions and see them through - it is good management.

We will certainly need that in the years to come.