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Leadership?
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northstandgiveusasong
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Hamann Pineapple
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I love Pep but we have not won since he said we should lose soon. That was not good leadership.
HelloCity
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We're still not as good of a side as we were when we won the league 11/12.
colin's bell helmet
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Leadership didn't seem to be a problem 4 games ago. We're having a bit of a blip results wise don't think we need to panic too much it happens. Not sure if it's been mentioned elsewhere in the thread but isn't the captaincy being given to the player with the most appearances in the selected team for each particular match.
On this, I completely disagree.
We all loved Hart's passion. Of course we did. It was obviously from all his shouting that he cared.
But that's not leading. That's cheer-leading.
Hart was no different than Rooney. Shouting "C'mon" and bollocking players does not make you a leader.
Hart was a shambles at this. He literally screamed Boateng, Savic and Mangala out of the club. All 3 are now proven to be very decent centre halves. If Hart was a leader, he'd be constantly moving them into the right positions and motivating them. Completely different approach to what he does.
But yes, from the stands we all love to see the vocals and verbals.
If you want a great example of leadership done right, look a Demichelis when Kompany went out injured(yes, that demichelis). But there was a time when he came into the side and made a huge difference by being a calming influence, experienced enough to ignore Joe's shouting and screaming and was able to calmly organise those around him. It was great leadership without being a shouter and a screamer. Of course, you have to practise what you preach and poor Martin wasn't good enough quality to be in the side by the following year, but it's another story for another day. But in his first year, he was very clearly a respected leader and had a better leadership effect than Vinny, who is great in his own game but not an organiser of men in the same way.
really enjoyed this - and agree that being shouty and genuine leadership are not necessarily the same thing.
Nonsense,he led the defence to be the best in the prem for 3 yrs until mp dismantled it.,did they hate playing with him then? goalkeepers are supposed to marshall those in front of them,emotion during a game is not a bad thing,if he doesn't get protection from the defenders he has to shout.he can't say i'll put the kettle on and we can have a chat during the game
not sure I agree that Hart was the leader of the defence but each to their own - maybe what you write about
emotion touches on the idea that there are different kinds on leadership...
1) leading by trying to control emotion.
2) leading by reacting to emotion.
3) having the presence and composure to lead through emotional times.
I guess different people have different preferences for what kind of leadership they would want?
Leadership, at least as discernible by the fan is overrated and outdated.
What is more important is an inate confidence and arrogance that you are at all times superior. This quality is embodied by the following:
Otamendi, Stones, Kompany when healthy, Kolarov, Gundogan, Aguero and Sterling all have it.
Fighting spirit: Zaba, Ota, Sterling, Nolito, and Dihno have it.
Leadership in football is an ascription by outsiders. It's in fact a fallacy. The fewer that believe in it on a squad the better the squad.
What is more important is an inate confidence and arrogance that you are at all times superior. This quality is embodied by the following:
Otamendi, Stones, Kompany when healthy, Kolarov, Gundogan, Aguero and Sterling all have it.
Fighting spirit: Zaba, Ota, Sterling, Nolito, and Dihno have it.
Leadership in football is an ascription by outsiders. It's in fact a fallacy. The fewer that believe in it on a squad the better the squad.
Leadership, at least as discernible by the fan is overrated and outdated.
What is more important is an inate confidence and arrogance that you are at all times superior. This quality is embodied by the following:
Otamendi, Stones, Kompany when healthy, Kolarov, Gundogan, Aguero and Sterling all have it.
Fighting spirit: Zaba, Ota, Sterling, Nolito, and Dihno have it.
Leadership in football is an ascription by outsiders. It's in fact a fallacy. The fewer that believe in it on a squad the better the squad.
interesting Dax...you speak of innate confidence and arrogance. How about about leadership being about helping to draw out the inner strength of teammates? Iso, this is also a quality that I would associate with genuine humility more so than arrogance - indeed it might even be said that it is arrogance that gets in the way of true inner strength?
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This is the correct answer 10/10!Pep is the leader. End of.
What he needs is a squad of players who are technically proficient, mentally strong enough and willing to (metaphorically) die for each other, no matter what happens.