Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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Damocles said:
More ideological purity tests from our Chief Inquisitor. Maybe I could put some sort of gold star on so that you and your lot will feel more at home?

And no, I don't want something "vaguely progressive to vote for". Yet again you've failed to understand the very simplistic thrust of the argument.

To help you understand, I've put together a picture for you.

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The one on the left is what I want to achieve again because unlike you I want to help people rather than toss myself off about how great all my policies that nobody cares about are. The one on the right is your "revolutionary victory" against the weakest Tory leader since, in fact I'm not sure if there's ever been a weaker Tory leader on the campaign trail.

Oh, and for the record, when YOUR side of the Party talks about "curing social inequality" what you actually mean is "taxing the middle and upper classes". Ensuring social justice in the same way that beheading all the nobles in France was "social justice". You don't give a shit about equality and you never have done, you're just jealous of rich people and have constructed an entire political position around it.

I'd quite like to enact policies that help people in my town and others like it. You're happy with just being what you think is "right" in opposition to literally the entire country.

And considering I'm having to read through your shit anyway - you're "starting to find policies with real teeth"? Far left socialists haven't been in power in 40 years, have you only just discovered that people might actually read the crap you produce and will judge you on it? Like the electorate did on Thursday night by the way where you lost an election by 60 seats.

Here's another difference between us - we live in a time of austerity and all of those social problems that you mentioned. And I'm the only actually fucking annoyed that we've lost an election. Which continuously begs the question; what exactly are you here for because you don't seem to care about those people? You're a brigade of pointless extremists who lost by a massive margin before and will now punish the very people that you claim to be wanting to help and sentence them to another decade or more of Tory rule, because not taxing the middle classes is so fucking unpalatable to you that you're willing to let working class people suffer and potentially die in order to not have to compromise it; so burning with hatred at their comparatively minuscule level of success in comparison to you.

Class warriors? With friends like you the disadvantaged in society don't need enemies.

The far left have been a joke in British politics for at least 40 years and remain so today. A few Remainers swinging your way in order to try and stop a potential economic disaster and a higher than expected young vote due to the growth of social media marketing nicked from Bernie Sanders has got your head right back in the clouds. You're political Scousers where your year will always be next year, your election always the next one or possibly the one after that, and a complete delusion to how much the country ridicules all of your pie in the sky policies.

New Labour won every general election it ever stood in. The moment Brown stepped away from it towards the left of the party, it all came crashing down. Then we went further left with Ed who also lost his election and have gone even further left with Corbyn who also lost his election. Outside of literally letting Big Len run or maybe having some sort of channeling session for Joseph Stalin, you're running out of left to go and you still haven't managed to win an election. The country does not buy what you are selling; it hasn't done in decades and it never will.
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Biggest load of self righteous bollocks i jave ever had the displeasure to read, and thats sayoing something. Is it too difficult to understand that many in the labour movement thought blair was a disaster, a warmonger and a puppet of murdoch? You despuse the left and you fear it because it is different and you are lacking the comprehension that the hundreds of thousands on benefits or homeless despise the tories and anything tory light. They would rather wait for a true left govt and get behind the finest socialist leader in a generation.
Spare us your endless ramblings because you are utterly wrong and offensive with it.what is the point in hoping for the next blair if he is just tory lite? None at all.
 
SWP's back said:
That's totally wrong for two reasons.

Firstly, the Labour Party could have simply taken those SNP votes that the Tories took.

Secondly, the swing from UKIP to Labour was greater than UKIP to Tory. The falling apart of the UKIP vote helped Labour more than Conservative.
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The votes that the SNP lost were in previously Tory seats so they weren't 'new' votes and the Tories were always going to be the beneficiaries of an SNP collapse.

Secondly, you read the FT don't you? Did you see the chart in Matt Singh's article showing the very strong correlation between UKIP losses and Tory gains? There were quite a few seats, particularly in traditional Labour voting areas like the North East where there was an apparent swing from Lab to Con, which was the result of the majority of the UKIP vote defecting to the Conservatives. @BlueAnorak also needs to see that chart.
 
blue cigar said:
Biggest load of self righteous bollocks i jave ever had the displeasure to read, and thats sayoing something. Is it too difficult to understand that many in the labour movement thought blair was a disaster, a warmonger and a puppet of murdoch? You despuse the left and you fear it because it is different and you are lacking the comprehension that the hundreds of thousands on benefits or homeless despise the tories and anything tory light. They would rather wait for a true left govt and get behind the finest socialist leader in a generation.
Spare us your endless ramblings because you are utterly wrong and offensive with it.what is the point in hoping for the next blair if he is just tory lite? None at all.
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I don't think you have read many of his posts
 
BlueAnorak said:
Mays closest advisors have resigned. Timothy was Cameron's tactician as well.
May has been presented with an ultimatum. Cabinet decisions for now - or May will be be given the push. That will last about 3 months I reckon.
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That's OK. I'm surmising the number 1 priority is to give some appearance of continuity in the short run and to allow Brexit negotiations to start as planned. Otherwise the party's embarrassment would be even more acute than it is now.

However, she's dead meat and it can only be a matter of time before the inevitable leadership bids are launched. That's probably another reason for buying a few months, so that the ground can be prepared to field a selection of credible candidates. The big noises probably won't want Bozza to get too clear a sight of goal.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
...I still maintain that while Corbyn ran a brilliant campaign, there are still too many people who are turned off by him. Another leader, one with less baggage, might well have won this election with the same policies in my opinion.
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I'm glad you said that I was beginning to wonder.
That said I think the policies are too extreme for many people to vote for. Certainly true for me.
For example, I could have voted for a McDonnellesc budget if lots of it was turned down. No trading tax (that is an instant 2%+ tax on peoples pensions) and no more than 1% rise in Corporation tax per anum. It still wouldn't deal with companies exporting profits by buying Irish, Luxemburg or Tax Haven air (along with other goods) for much more than the market rate. Only a turnover tax for corporations stops that - A great UKIP policy BTW - I fail to see why other parties have not adopted it it renders tax evasion totally useless!
 
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Gabriel said:
Ha Ha.

Hope Mrs Magicpole doesn't read that. She'll give you a thick ear with the washing machine manual.
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Not until she has completed the multiple choice test on it, that, if I'm honest, she is taking way too long on.

Sometimes I wonder why I go to all the trouble.
 
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