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[Dubai Blue]

What is very funny but rather irritaiting is whenever a player for Liverpool or Utd is meant to be leaving or handing in a transfer request, you seem to get all the big wigs for instance ex players, pundits slating them to high heavens, same happened with Rooney when he wanted to leave and you had Paddy Crerard, Micky Thomas, Arthur Albinston etc all jumping on the bandwagon and sticking their nose in having their opinion. It really is pathetic, typical bully boy tactics. I think whats hurting Liverpool the most is the fact that with all their history and their "illustrious" reputation, Raheem Sterling a 20 year old kid is ruling the roost over them and wants to leave them for a team they view smaller than them (Us). Really does crack me up, he is only 20 years old, he is only a kid. Regardless of whether people think he is badly advised by his agent or whatever, they need to lay off him, all this pressure and hatred could completely knock his confidence and ruin him as a footballer. If the kid wants to leave to win trophies, then he should be allowed to leave, its his decision and people should respect that.

Exactly. He's leaving a team that before their title win last April had finished 7th, 8th, 6th, 7th in the previous four seasons, and then followed it up with another 6th this year. He knows exactly how "big" Liverpool are these days and that's why he wants out. The gulf between Liverpool and City this year was 17 points, about the same as between WBA and Liverpool; but the media would paint Berahino as clinically insane if he wanted to stay at West Brom rather than join the Dippers.

And Aldridge saying he's "losing everything" has to be a piss take. Wherever Sterling moves to next he'll be playing in front of bigger crowds every other week, he'll be involved in the Champions League, he'll be earning at least 3 or 4 times his current wages and his chances of actually competing for trophies will increase by about a million percent. Yeah, it sounds like a fucking terrible decision John!

 

[Marvin]

You must admit though, the power that Liverpool and the rags have in the media is pretty fucking impressive. The hearts and minds approach to the media by City is probably about as affective as the one by the Americans in Vietnam.
We should stop pandering to the cockroaches and start stepping on them.

The pressure they have put on the lad is a disgrace, and he's still their player. You can't intimidate a player into playing for you.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You must admit though, the power that Liverpool and the rags have in the media is pretty fucking impressive. The hearts and minds approach to the media by City is probably about as affective as the one by the Americans in Vietnam.
We should stop pandering to the cockroaches and start stepping on them.

It is a hugely imposing presence on a number of fronts and we are currently observing it in action, but I think it's wrong to suggest united and Liverpool's media management are comparable.

united's per department is far superior to Liverpool's. The Glazers are often credited for raising the commercial revenue of the club prodigiously, but recognising the value of a well-oiled propaganda machine from the outset of their ownership of the club has enabled them to set the narrative with the press in a hugely effective fashion.

Liverpool's approach is much less professional and based more around quantity rather than quality. In actual fact their pr in recent years (in relation to Suarez, for example) has been pretty appalling and has been further compounded by the absurd outpourings of their insufferable **** of a manager. They take themselves far too seriously as a club, disernibly more than united imo. That significantly undermines whatever message they are trying to convey.

What they do have is lots of bodies of the ground, whose soundbites the cockroaches are always more than willing to accommodate. I believe Liverpool lacks proper control over its image in the media and the club will suffer for it in the long term. Ex-players, like drunken sailors, taking it in turns to slag off one of their own players, can be effective as a short sharp shock treatment, as with Rooney in 2010, but over a sustained campaign it just makes the club look small time and ungracious.

I'm sure there's a thesis in there somewhere. Liverpool's decline as a force is being played out before our eyes, in the digital age, which means we've all got front row seats. Watching them raging against the dying of the light is as compelling as it is amusing.

 

[bluetonium]

I imagine this will go (has gone already) something like this:

City: How about £25m and £5m in bonuses for Raheem?

Liverpool: He's not for sale, just like we said to the press.

City: Ok, £30m plus £10m in bonuses.

Liverpool: Done deal. Let us just have a moan in the press first about how it is not Liverpool's fault.


I agree with the posters above on certain people's attitudes towards him though. I mean, why on earth did he get booed for England? He wants to win things, good lad. Will he play better if we cheer him or boo him, umm whattdya think?

He's said nothing recently despite certain pundits and ex-Liverpool favourites labeling him as greedy, not good enough and more. The same pundits who hail Danny Ings leaving Burnley to go to Liverpool because it will further his career, earn him England caps and European football. To me, the comments from the former Liverpool 'heroes' tells the tale, similar to what we saw when Gareth Barry came to us, a slow dawning of what most people can already see - that they are not quite on the same level as us anymore and there is somewhere for their best players to 'set up' to, in England. Villa, Everton and others finally saw this, bitter a pill as it was for them to swallow, and took the money in the end, probably quite chuffed with themselves a few years on, good deals all around. For the likes of Liverpool, especially after winning the league last year apparently, it is a slower process to accept the top four is drifting away. Maybe not forever, but for players like Raheem waiting a few seasons for the manager to get his act together, or to be booted in to touch and for someone else to have a go, mean potentially treading water. Who wants to tread water at a club where sections of the support seem to openly despise you? Pretty childish really, he's good if he stays at Liverpool, but he's s**t if he leaves. That playground attitude wouldn't bother me one bit, except it seems to be spreading from opinion to truth across the majority of press outlets, leaving us as City fans with very few places to read a fair and interesting article about our own club.

Yes, some English players have come to City and failed, or not been given a fair chance if you prefer. Sinclair and Rodwell spring to mind as not reaching the heights, but there are stories behind their failures to succeed here at City. But I bet Gareth Barry, Joleon Lescott, Joe Hart, Adam Johnson and even Jimmy Milner feel their time here was certainly not wasted, especially when they cast a glance at their own personal medal collections.

And are we the only ones? Hell no, at the very top the stakes are very high. Victor Moses has struggled to get time at Chelsea. Ricky Lambert at Liverpool, and Lallana can hardly say he's improved his lot by moving from Southampton either. Zaha at the scum played two competitive games for them, two! Arsenal packed Carl Jenkinson off to West Ham because he needed game time to develop. Chelsea didn't buy a single Englishman last season yet won the league, nowt said about that. But in most cases there is always a reason, either the player is not at the desired level (and this is not something you always realise when scouting, training up close 5/6 times a week tells you that), injuries, changing managers and so on.

If fact, lets have a look at the Englishmen who have won the league in the last 5 years and been awarded a medal, since 2010-11 season.

Chelsea

John Terry - 1 time
Cahill - 1 time

Man City

Joe Hart - 2 times
Joleon Lescott - 2 times
James Milner - 2 times
Adam Johnson - 1 time
Rodwell - 1 time

Man Utd

Shrek- 2 times
Ginger pig - 2 times
Rio - 2 times
Carrick- 2 times
Smalling - 1 time
Michael Owen - 1 time
Wellbeck - 1 time
Jones - 1 time
Young - 1 time


There you go. Hardly the worst team to go to if you are an Englishman who wants to win things, especially when you consider that in four of those five seasons we finished either top or runners up, which no other club can say.

Ok, I have to work now, should have been working instead of doing this to be honest :P

 

[Graceyboy]

I imagine this will go (has gone already) something like this:

City: How about £25m and £5m in bonuses for Raheem?

Liverpool: He's not for sale, just like we said to the press.

City: Ok, £30m plus £10m in bonuses.

Liverpool: Done deal. Let us just have a moan in the press first about how it is not Liverpool's fault.


I agree with the posters above on certain people's attitudes towards him though. I mean, why on earth did he get booed for England? He wants to win things, good lad. Will he play better if we cheer him or boo him, umm whattdya think?

He's said nothing recently despite certain pundits and ex-Liverpool favourites labeling him as greedy, not good enough and more. The same pundits who hail Danny Ings leaving Burnley to go to Liverpool because it will further his career, earn him England caps and European football. To me, the comments from the former Liverpool 'heroes' tells the tale, similar to what we saw when Gareth Barry came to us, a slow dawning of what most people can already see - that they are not quite on the same level as us anymore and there is somewhere for their best players to 'set up' to, in England. Villa, Everton and others finally saw this, bitter a pill as it was for them to swallow, and took the money in the end, probably quite chuffed with themselves a few years on, good deals all around. For the likes of Liverpool, especially after winning the league last year apparently, it is a slower process to accept the top four is drifting away. Maybe not forever, but for players like Raheem waiting a few seasons for the manager to get his act together, or to be booted in to touch and for someone else to have a go, mean potentially treading water. Who wants to tread water at a club where sections of the support seem to openly despise you? Pretty childish really, he's good if he stays at Liverpool, but he's s**t if he leaves. That playground attitude wouldn't bother me one bit, except it seems to be spreading from opinion to truth across the majority of press outlets, leaving us as City fans with very few places to read a fair and interesting article about our own club.

Yes, some English players have come to City and failed, or not been given a fair chance if you prefer. Sinclair and Rodwell spring to mind as not reaching the heights, but there are stories behind their failures to succeed here at City. But I bet Gareth Barry, Joleon Lescott, Joe Hart, Adam Johnson and even Jimmy Milner feel their time here was certainly not wasted, especially when they cast a glance at their own personal medal collections.

And are we the only ones? Hell no, at the very top the stakes are very high. Victor Moses has struggled to get time at Chelsea. Ricky Lambert at Liverpool, and Lallana can hardly say he's improved his lot by moving from Southampton either. Zaha at the scum played two competitive games for them, two! Arsenal packed Carl Jenkinson off to West Ham because he needed game time to develop. Chelsea didn't buy a single Englishman last season yet won the league, nowt said about that. But in most cases there is always a reason, either the player is not at the desired level (and this is not something you always realise when scouting, training up close 5/6 times a week tells you that), injuries, changing managers and so on.

If fact, lets have a look at the Englishmen who have won the league in the last 5 years and been awarded a medal, since 2010-11 season.

Chelsea

John Terry - 1 time
Cahill - 1 time

Man City

Joe Hart - 2 times
Joleon Lescott - 2 times
James Milner - 2 times
Adam Johnson - 1 time
Rodwell - 1 time
Gareth Barry - 1 Time

Man Utd

Shrek- 2 times
Ginger pig - 2 times
Rio - 2 times
Carrick- 2 times
Smalling - 1 time
Michael Owen - 1 time
Wellbeck - 1 time
Jones - 1 time
Young - 1 time


There you go. Hardly the worst team to go to if you are an Englishman who wants to win things, especially when you consider that in four of those five seasons we finished either top or runners up, which no other club can say.

Ok, I have to work now, should have been working instead of doing this to be honest :P

Don't forget Gaz Baz

and don't forget Lampard at Chelsea too ( i know it was longer than 5 years but he deserves credit

 

[stony]

It is a hugely imposing presence on a number of fronts and we are currently observing it in action, but I think it's wrong to suggest united and Liverpool's media management are comparable.

united's per department is far superior to Liverpool's. The Glazers are often credited for raising the commercial revenue of the club prodigiously, but recognising the value of a well-oiled propaganda machine from the outset of their ownership of the club has enabled them to set the narrative with the press in a hugely effective fashion.

Liverpool's approach is much less professional and based more around quantity rather than quality. In actual fact their pr in recent years (in relation to Suarez, for example) has been pretty appalling and has been further compounded by the absurd outpourings of their insufferable **** of a manager. They take themselves far too seriously as a club, disernibly more than united imo. That significantly undermines whatever message they are trying to convey.

What they do have is lots of bodies of the ground, whose soundbites the cockroaches are always more than willing to accommodate. I believe Liverpool lacks proper control over its image in the media and the club will suffer for it in the long term. Ex-players, like drunken sailors, taking it in turns to slag off one of their own players, can be effective as a short sharp shock treatment, as with Rooney in 2010, but over a sustained campaign it just makes the club look small time and ungracious.

I'm sure there's a thesis in there somewhere. Liverpool's decline as a force is being played out before our eyes, in the digital age, which means we've all got front row seats. Watching them raging against the dying of the light is as compelling as it is amusing.

Excellent post mate and I concur fully. I probably didn't explain it properly. The one thing the PR depts of both clubs have in common, is that they can wheel out has-been after has-been to spout absolute fucking drivel and rarely if ever, are they challenged in the media. You don't even have to imagine what would happen if an ex City player was as bullish in media as those turds who represent Liverpool and the rags. Buzzer was ridiculed on live tv for predicting the sick swan. I don't think Sky have ever invited him back.

 

[swpnutmegsscholes]

Don't forget Richards

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

 

[Stoned Rose]

It is a hugely imposing presence on a number of fronts and we are currently observing it in action, but I think it's wrong to suggest united and Liverpool's media management are comparable.

united's per department is far superior to Liverpool's. The Glazers are often credited for raising the commercial revenue of the club prodigiously, but recognising the value of a well-oiled propaganda machine from the outset of their ownership of the club has enabled them to set the narrative with the press in a hugely effective fashion.

Liverpool's approach is much less professional and based more around quantity rather than quality. In actual fact their pr in recent years (in relation to Suarez, for example) has been pretty appalling and has been further compounded by the absurd outpourings of their insufferable **** of a manager. They take themselves far too seriously as a club, disernibly more than united imo. That significantly undermines whatever message they are trying to convey.

What they do have is lots of bodies of the ground, whose soundbites the cockroaches are always more than willing to accommodate. I believe Liverpool lacks proper control over its image in the media and the club will suffer for it in the long term. Ex-players, like drunken sailors, taking it in turns to slag off one of their own players, can be effective as a short sharp shock treatment, as with Rooney in 2010, but over a sustained campaign it just makes the club look small time and ungracious.

I'm sure there's a thesis in there somewhere. Liverpool's decline as a force is being played out before our eyes, in the digital age, which means we've all got front row seats. Watching them raging against the dying of the light is as compelling as it is amusing.

Bob on GDM.

Liverpool are like a on old fella who used to be cock of the school, got all the birds and was revered by all, who's now in his late 50's, 3 stone overweight, massive moobs, needs 3 Viagras to knock a wank out and rides a pushbike.

The best bit is, like you say, they still think they're that guy they were decades ago and so do their cronies.

Sad figures.

 

[tonea2003]

brenda to raheem perhaps?