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If ever there was a thread showing how our support has changed it is the 'boo the Jingle Thread'
From spending an entire match chanting Swales Out we now cannot even boo for 30 seconds whilst a tune is played. It used to be working men stood together with a common purpose, a day away from shit, the missus and all you other problems. Now it is a constant worry that the snowflakes will disapprove of somthing you thought never mind did.
From spending an entire match chanting Swales Out we now cannot even boo for 30 seconds whilst a tune is played. It used to be working men stood together with a common purpose, a day away from shit, the missus and all you other problems. Now it is a constant worry that the snowflakes will disapprove of somthing you thought never mind did.
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Great post.If ever there was a thread showing how our support has changed it is the 'boo the Jingle Thread'
From spending an entire match chanting Swales Out we now cannot even boo for 30 seconds whilst a tune is played. It used to be working men stood together with a common purpose, a day away from shit, the missus and all you other problems. Now it is a constant worry that the snowflakes will disapprove of somthing you thought never mind did.
Was there no opportunity to develop Maine Road and increase the capacity to perhaps 45,000? Things obviously worked out but I assume The COMS was the most plausible way forwards.
Lee looked into expanding the stadium but because all the stands were different heights and methods of construction it was going to be too costly. Don't forget that the Platt Lane end was huge until Swales came along and reduced it dramatically in size, to turn it back into a state of the art decent stand was too prohibitive. Fortunatley the council won the bid for the games otherwise we would have been screwed.
BlueMoonRisin’
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When I first saw the new Platt lane(Umbro) stand I couldn't believe how shit it was. One tier of about 6000 seats with two levels of corporate boxes across the back. Looked like some monsterous subuteo stand done on the cheap. And it was thanks to Swales.Lee looked into expanding the stadium but because all the stands were different heights and methods of construction it was going to be too costly. Don't forget that the Platt Lane end was huge until Swales came along and reduced it dramatically in size, to turn it back into a state of the art decent stand was too prohibitive. Fortunatley the council won the bid for the games otherwise we would have been screwed.
When I first saw the new Platt lane(Umbro) stand I couldn't believe how shit it was. One tier of about 6000 seats with two levels of corporate boxes across the back. Looked like some monsterous subuteo stand done on the cheap. And it was thanks to Swales.
In the original format it held something like 15,000, that dick Swales cut it by half. Also do you know why the Main Stand was developed in the way it was with those stupid arches at the front ?
BlueMoonRisin’
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Of course I know Misty. It was meant to become a Wig and Toupee museum; )In the original format it held something like 15,000, that dick Swales cut it by half. Also do you know why the Main Stand was developed in the way it was with those stupid arches at the front ?
Ignore for a moment that Sergio has signed the new contract. For a moment pretend that the board sell him against his wishes to Liverpool our main title rivals, what sort of reception would he get when he came to the Eitihad to play against us ? I ask because City did just that with Franny Lee and IIRC we spent the whole match cheering Fanny and slagging the board even after Lee scored against us. Today Serge would get a polite round of applause at the start and if he scored ?
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I think that the points about gentrification, ticket prices and half-and-half scarves (in terms of what they represent) are correct and have merit, but I think there is a bigger reason why the support seems to have changed in the last few years. I couldn't really put my finger on it at first but I've come to the conclusion that the reason is Pep - not necessarily than man himself, but what he represents and what we've tried to build around him.
Before anyone starts, I'm not ungrateful to the fact that we have arguably the world's best manager at our club. The football last year was unreal, the likes of which I never thought I'd see at City in my lifetime.
However, in the last couple of years it feels that the club has become somewhat detached from the fans; it's certainly how i feel, anyway. That has a lot to do with the commercialisation; everything from Tunnel Club and partnerships with the FIFA video game (talk about a Faustian pact!), to tie-ins and appearances with Youtube vloggers who have no connection to the club whatsoever. Our website used to be great - full of behind the scenes content and player interviews; now it's just endless tie-ins, commercial partnerships and content that seems more aimed at non-City fans than it is at Blues.
But I think it also has a lot to do with Pep. He is unique in that he is and always will be bigger than any club he manages. With Mancini we had a manager who embraced the culture and history of the club because he was always very aware that he worked for us; with Pep, you kind of feel that the club works for him. We are now very much moulded in his image - we're a 'Pep Team' - as opposed to him adopting City and City fans. It's not a personal criticism of him - it's the way he works, and he's earned that through his success - but under Mancini I felt we had manager who led the fans and whom we could get behind, whereas with Pep I don't think that fans have that feeling (same with Pellegrini, for different reasons).
I'm sure the expectation of success plays a part, and the expectation around a 'Pep Team'. In the Mancini years we were in the ascendancy, working towards our first Prem title and still with lots of work to do. Under Pep, we're expected to be at the top and expected to win. Therefore, it's no surprise that our support can be a bit flat - it's a combination of the expectation and the pressure, along with the club detaching itself from its traditional supporter base.
Before anyone starts, I'm not ungrateful to the fact that we have arguably the world's best manager at our club. The football last year was unreal, the likes of which I never thought I'd see at City in my lifetime.
However, in the last couple of years it feels that the club has become somewhat detached from the fans; it's certainly how i feel, anyway. That has a lot to do with the commercialisation; everything from Tunnel Club and partnerships with the FIFA video game (talk about a Faustian pact!), to tie-ins and appearances with Youtube vloggers who have no connection to the club whatsoever. Our website used to be great - full of behind the scenes content and player interviews; now it's just endless tie-ins, commercial partnerships and content that seems more aimed at non-City fans than it is at Blues.
But I think it also has a lot to do with Pep. He is unique in that he is and always will be bigger than any club he manages. With Mancini we had a manager who embraced the culture and history of the club because he was always very aware that he worked for us; with Pep, you kind of feel that the club works for him. We are now very much moulded in his image - we're a 'Pep Team' - as opposed to him adopting City and City fans. It's not a personal criticism of him - it's the way he works, and he's earned that through his success - but under Mancini I felt we had manager who led the fans and whom we could get behind, whereas with Pep I don't think that fans have that feeling (same with Pellegrini, for different reasons).
I'm sure the expectation of success plays a part, and the expectation around a 'Pep Team'. In the Mancini years we were in the ascendancy, working towards our first Prem title and still with lots of work to do. Under Pep, we're expected to be at the top and expected to win. Therefore, it's no surprise that our support can be a bit flat - it's a combination of the expectation and the pressure, along with the club detaching itself from its traditional supporter base.
I think that the points about gentrification, ticket prices and half-and-half scarves (in terms of what they represent) are correct and have merit, but I think there is a bigger reason why the support seems to have changed in the last few years. I couldn't really put my finger on it at first but I've come to the conclusion that the reason is Pep - not necessarily than man himself, but what he represents and what we've tried to build around him.
Before anyone starts, I'm not ungrateful to the fact that we have arguably the world's best manager at our club. The football last year was unreal, the likes of which I never thought I'd see at City in my lifetime.
However, in the last couple of years it feels that the club has become somewhat detached from the fans; it's certainly how i feel, anyway. That has a lot to do with the commercialisation; everything from Tunnel Club and partnerships with the FIFA video game (talk about a Faustian pact!), to tie-ins and appearances with Youtube vloggers who have no connection to the club whatsoever. Our website used to be great - full of behind the scenes content and player interviews; now it's just endless tie-ins, commercial partnerships and content that seems more aimed at non-City fans than it is at Blues.
But I think it also has a lot to do with Pep. He is unique in that he is and always will be bigger than any club he manages. With Mancini we had a manager who embraced the culture and history of the club because he was always very aware that he worked for us; with Pep, you kind of feel that the club works for him. We are now very much moulded in his image - we're a 'Pep Team' - as opposed to him adopting City and City fans. It's not a personal criticism of him - it's the way he works, and he's earned that through his success - but under Mancini I felt we had manager who led the fans and whom we could get behind, whereas with Pep I don't think that fans have that feeling (same with Pellegrini, for different reasons).
I'm sure the expectation of success plays a part, and the expectation around a 'Pep Team'. In the Mancini years we were in the ascendancy, working towards our first Prem title and still with lots of work to do. Under Pep, we're expected to be at the top and expected to win. Therefore, it's no surprise that our support can be a bit flat - it's a combination of the expectation and the pressure, along with the club detaching itself from its traditional supporter base.
Excellent post and I would add to that the fact that the club know they cannot quickly get English fans to support us, it will take a generation, but they can get the overseas fans through the doors. I am not having a go at foreign fans by the way, but they are not going to have the same passion and feel for the club as 'us'. In a similar way the club chased the students especially at the start of Freshers etc, they were given heavily discounted tickets, I suppose in the hope that they would come again in the 3 years they were in Manchester but there was no bond there with them, it was just a different night out for them.