It is a case of damned if you do damned if you don't I guess. The searches stop and a bomb goes off inside there would be outrage but like everyone else I doubt how effective and thorough they are. The modern day terrorist would appear to want to kill as many people as possible and themselves as well. I am not going to to say how they could achieve this but they could cause carnage and mayhem before they even got to the turnstile searches as everyone knows.
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HelloCity
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It is a case of damned if you do damned if you don't I guess. The searches stop and a bomb goes off inside there would be outrage but like everyone else I doubt how effective and thorough they are. The modern day terrorist would appear to want to kill as many people as possible and themselves as well. I am not going to to say how they could achieve this but they could cause carnage and mayhem before they even got to the turnstile searches as everyone knows.
I agree that the club would (rightfully) get an unbelievable amount of **** if something bad happened and they hadn't taken precautions.
The solution is to have more people doing the checks though as it's too slow having one guy at each turnstyle patting everyone down.
The irony (is it ironic?) that you go to Wembley and the security is minimal, very little searches going on. The only games held here are the biggest with the most fans, a very high profile target, yet they have even less security than we do.
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tolmie's hairdoo
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But searches should be based on a likelihood of threat, which there doesn't seem to be as other grounds don't seem to be doing it on the same scale. Like I say, unless you search every single person, what's the point?.
Other clubs don't have owners from Abu Dhabi.
Much as the ignorant perception would be otherwise, the wealth and influence of the U.A.E is just as much a target as the rest of the West.
In a crowd of 54 thousand and excluding the away fans at least 40 thousand of these must be season ticket holders and many long serving season ticket holders. Now unless they have suddenly become radicalised it is extremely unlikely they pose a threat. The trick is how to not inconvenience these people with unnecessary searches and make sure the others are vetted at the same time. Perhaps a perimeter where season cards are checked and you go through unhindered, no season card you are searched? It is difficult but the present method is shoddy and useless.
tolmie's hairdoo
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In a crowd of 54 thousand and excluding the away fans at least 40 thousand of these must be season ticket holders and many long serving season ticket holders. Now unless they have suddenly become radicalised it is extremely unlikely they pose a threat. The trick is how to not inconvenience these people with unnecessary searches and make sure the others are vetted at the same time. Perhaps a perimeter where season cards are checked and you go through unhindered, no season card you are searched? It is difficult but the present method is shoddy and useless.
That's called profiling...
I'm pretty sure a terrorist might also be able to get hold of a season card.
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Unless you have a big brolly or flag or worse are drunk as fuck attempting to smuggle a tinny inThe irony (is it ironic?) that you go to Wembley and the security is minimal, very little searches going on. The only games held here and the biggest with the most fans, a very high profile target, yet they have even less security than we do.
Eccles Blue
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Question.
Do people going into the corporate areas get the same search as everyone else ?
Yes they do apparently. I'm guessing they are already in the foyer of whichever side of the stadium they are at but as far as I am aware they do get searched.
In a crowd of 54 thousand and excluding the away fans at least 40 thousand of these must be season ticket holders and many long serving season ticket holders. Now unless they have suddenly become radicalised it is extremely unlikely they pose a threat. The trick is how to not inconvenience these people with unnecessary searches and make sure the others are vetted at the same time. Perhaps a perimeter where season cards are checked and you go through unhindered, no season card you are searched? It is difficult but the present method is shoddy and useless.
But what happens if a season card holder lets someone else use their card?
The club are in a Catch 22 situation, they are trying to keep all fans safe so if they don't search and something happens it's their fault, if they do search and nothing happens it is also their fault.
Its pointless. A load of people queuing outside is a terrorist target also. If they extended the searches to before you enter the grounds of the stadium then the queue there would also be a terrorist target. Theres not much you can do about it.
The bombers at the stade de france blew themselves up outside the stadium, not inside.
I tend to agree, but it's worth pointing out that the attackers in France attempted to get access to the stadium but were rebuked by security.
The queues against Monaco were appalling though. I think that if searching was done on entry to the campus, at least arrivals should be more sporadic.
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The checks for Celtic worked a treat....I feel safe
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Or even an inflatable banana!Unless you have a big brolly or flag or worse are drunk as fuck attempting to smuggle a tinny in
They confiscated my daughter's last year at the Cup Final
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Indeed they can and unfortunately there is nothing to identify whether you have had a card for one year or 20. The point being made i think is that the 50 year old who has had a card for 25 years or more is unlikely to be a terrorist so why can;t they go through with no delays.That's called profiling...
I'm pretty sure a terrorist might also be able to get hold of a season card.
Wonder what is going to happen tonight, when the forecast is heavy rain from 19.00 0nwardsIndeed they can and unfortunately there is nothing to identify whether you have had a card for one year or 20. The point being made i think is that the 50 year old who has had a card for 25 years or more is unlikely to be a terrorist so why can;t they go through with no delays.
Of course it is profiling and I don't see a lot wrong with it. It is not ideal and yes a terrorist might be able to get hold of a card but it is an option. It needs fine tuning of course but a lot of our fan base are 50+ and have been season ticket holders for 10+ years at least, we just need a way to try and fast track them into the game.
We already have a 10ft metal perimeter fence - you'd think those gates would be the perfect place to do security checks. You could have different entrances for people with bags etc that require additional security checks. That would seem far more efficient and also more effective than a token gesture frisk while people are rushing to get through the turnstile.
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the moaners and the experts are out again. lol.
we are a credible target, anti IS owners, global name and in the UK.
the present threat level is v high and all people who know anything on the subject understand that it is not a matter of if but when.
The club are doing the best they can and I am sure lots more is going on behind public notice such as target hardening the perimeter from a truck driving attack.
The club have also told everyone to get a bit earlier.
On the subject of searching, the purpose is not really to find a bomb!
Less moaning and more understanding is needed people.
we are a credible target, anti IS owners, global name and in the UK.
the present threat level is v high and all people who know anything on the subject understand that it is not a matter of if but when.
The club are doing the best they can and I am sure lots more is going on behind public notice such as target hardening the perimeter from a truck driving attack.
The club have also told everyone to get a bit earlier.
On the subject of searching, the purpose is not really to find a bomb!
Less moaning and more understanding is needed people.
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Whilst I agree 100% with what you say, the issue appears to be that the checks are not very good any way and are not helping the flow of spectators.the moaners and the experts are out again. lol.
we are a credible target, anti IS owners, global name and in the UK.
the present threat level is v high and all people who know anything on the subject understand that it is not a matter of if but when.
The club are doing the best they can and I am sure lots more is going on behind public notice such as target hardening the perimeter from a truck driving attack.
The club have also told everyone to get a bit earlier.
On the subject of searching, the purpose is not really to find a bomb!
Less moaning and more understanding is needed people.
There must be a better system, though I am not qualified to say what.
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the moaners and the experts are out again. lol.
we are a credible target, anti IS owners, global name and in the UK.
the present threat level is v high and all people who know anything on the subject understand that it is not a matter of if but when.
The club are doing the best they can and I am sure lots more is going on behind public notice such as target hardening the perimeter from a truck driving attack.
The club have also told everyone to get a bit earlier.
On the subject of searching, the purpose is not really to find a bomb!
Less moaning and more understanding is needed people.
been in the queues for a few games this year, haven't been searched once. if a terrorist wanted to bring a bomb in it wouldnt exactly be hard. barely any staff even searching people and barely any turnstyles open. if thats the clubs plan to stop terrorists then fuck me its not gonna do much.
less moaning ! a lot of people can't get there an hour earlier and most people aren't happy paying money to then miss twenty minutes of the game. i dont particular want to get there an hour early to sit there listening to cheesy pre match crap and drink expensive piss.
blue b4 the moon
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I understand your point but just one ticket sold on here/Facebook could allow someone iffy into the ground.In a crowd of 54 thousand and excluding the away fans at least 40 thousand of these must be season ticket holders and many long serving season ticket holders. Now unless they have suddenly become radicalised it is extremely unlikely they pose a threat. The trick is how to not inconvenience these people with unnecessary searches and make sure the others are vetted at the same time. Perhaps a perimeter where season cards are checked and you go through unhindered, no season card you are searched? It is difficult but the present method is shoddy and useless.
If the club feel the need to be security active it must be done properly not the 'playing at it' we see game after game.