Sturgeon wants another referendum

[mcfc1632]

You miss my point.
May says the Scots cannot have a referendum because they don't know enough details about what they would be voting for. That didn't seem to stop the UK having one.

Well it is right to point out that the areas you listed are part of the negotiations to be had - because that is what your point seemed to be

As you have been clearer then I agree with you and think that May should not base her view the way she has. She should just be clear that the earliest a referendum could be handled would be following the next GE - June 2021 looks a likely slot.

I am sure there would be support across the UK for an Indyref2 following the next GE. The UK has other things on its hands at the moment and it is not unreasonable that attention is being given over the next few years to securing the best outcome for the 60m rather than obsessing about the 5m - as one of the 60m I hold the view that it is 'our turn'.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

We would if the fuckers had set out, in understandable terms for the layman, what in/out meant for the country.

Which brings me nicely back to where i started from in this thread, namely, a referendum was a fucking stupid idea.
Adios Amigos.

We didn't get this SB, 'cos neither side knew what it would mean. They simply based their arguments, not on what was best for the country, but what was best for themselves and/or their party.

 

[Magicpole]

We didn't get this SB, 'cos neither side knew what it would mean. They simply based their arguments, not on what was best for the country, but what was best for themselves and/or their party.

It's a bit Rich of May claiming Scits can't vote because we don't know what we are voting for, when we are about to trigger article 50 and nobody has a clue what that really means. Even her.

 

[sir baconface]

I think the skunks at Westminster don't want to offer the skunks at Holyrood a referendum because the former can't handle two things at once, unless they are highly lucrative terms of employment.

A job for Gideon, perhaps? He seems to be a competent multi-tasker.

 

[sir baconface]

We would if the fuckers had set out, in understandable terms for the layman, what in/out meant for the country.

Which brings me nicely back to where i started from in this thread, namely, a referendum was a fucking stupid idea.
Adios Amigos.

The abnormally huge turnout would suggest people actually wanted a say. It was only a stupid idea for bitter losers, dictatorial aunties and OCD sufferers who need every step of their future mapped out. Not sure which category you are in but adios anyway.

 

[sir baconface]

It's a bit Rich of May claiming Scits can't vote because we don't know what we are voting for, when we are about to trigger article 50 and nobody has a clue what that really means. Even her.

Irrespective of the gloss she chooses to put on it, she is prioritising the interests of 60m+ UK voters over the posturing of 1.4m SNP adherents.

And that is fine by me.

 

[Magicpole]

Irrespective of the gloss she chooses to put on it, she is prioritising the interests of 60m+ UK voters over the posturing of 1.4m SNP adherents.

And that is fine by me.

Irrespective is a great word isn't it?

Makes everything ok. Particularly when you have a nothing to see moment.

 

[sir baconface]

Irrespective is a great word isn't it?

Makes everything ok. Particularly when you have a nothing to see moment.

Realpolitik. Try that one instead.

 

[Magicpole]

Realpolitik. Try that one instead.

Yes a good one. I always liked that one. Although the point wasn't about realpolitik, it was about selective amnesia.

Irrespective still a belter too though.

 

[mcfc1632]

Irrespective of the gloss she chooses to put on it, she is prioritising the interests of 60m+ UK voters over the posturing of 1.4m SNP adherents.

And that is fine by me.

Totally agree

I think that it is entirely fine for the SNP to campaign for a fresh referendum - especially as they put it their manifesto etc.

I also totally support their being a fresh referendum and have suggested the date should be set now - just that it should be phased appropriately with 2021 seeming to me the earliest when it could effectively be timetabled.

The government needs to focus on getting the best deal for the 60m during the Brexit negotiations - not being distracted by (a percentage of) Scotland getting all needy and demanding they get priority treatment. 2021 will soon come around and I can see no justification as to why the government should allow any distraction from the existing priority

 

[Magicpole]

Totally agree

I think that it is entirely fine for the SNP to campaign for a fresh referendum - especially as they put it their manifesto etc.

I also totally support their being a fresh referendum and have suggested the date should be set now - just that it should be phased appropriately with 2021 seeming to me the earliest when it could effectively be timetabled.

The government needs to focus on getting the best deal for the 60m during the Brexit negotiations - not being distracted by (a percentage of) Scotland getting all needy and demanding they get priority treatment. 2021 will soon come around and I can see no justification as to why the government should allow any distraction from the existing priority

The problem with that is we are out of the EU and our jobs reliant on it are fucked.

If we wouldn't be allowed in then the No would win.

All depends upon cultivating us remaing which us happening.

This will be sorted before the ref,or as I said, yes has no chance.

So we can't wait until after, about the same time would suit me,

 

[sir baconface]

Yes a good one. I always liked that one. Although the point wasn't about realpolitik, it was about selective amnesia.

Irrespective still a belter too though.

:)

Best said in guttural Teutonic tone and clipped English accent respectively.

 

[Magicpole]

:)

Best said in guttural Teutonic tone and clipped English accent respectively.

Is there any other way?

A monacled furious eye, puts the tin hat on it.

 

[sir baconface]

The problem with that is we are out of the EU and our jobs reliant on it are fucked.

If we wouldn't be allowed in then the No would win.

All depends upon cultivating us remaing which us happening.

This will be sorted before the ref,or as I said, yes has no chance.

So we can't wait until after, about the same time would suit me,

This makes me laugh. It will be at a time that suits the UK.

Whatever timing suits a million or so opportunitists is of fcuk all relevance to the rest of us. (Apart from a few bitter Bremoaners, whose case has been rejected at the ballot box, and who need any soap box they can clamber on.)

 

[sir baconface]

Is there any other way?

A monacled furious eye, puts the tin hat on it.

Ah, you've seen my selfie.

 

[Magicpole]

Ah, you've seen my selfie.

Aw man, you too?

Which eye?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

This makes me laugh. It will be at a time that suits the UK.

Whatever timing suits a million or so opportunitists is of fcuk all relevance to the rest of us. (Apart from a few bitter Bremoaners, whose case has been rejected at the ballot box, and who need any soap box they can clamber on.)

Very succinctly put. Priority should not be given to those that shout loudest.

 

[Indaparkside]

Don't know if it's been discussed, but if Scotland voted yes to break away then joined the eu, would we have to have a border patrol like Mexico and the usa to stop illegals crossing into England

 

[Magicpole]

Don't know if it's been discussed, but if Scotland voted yes to break away then joined the eu, would we have to have a border patrol like Mexico and the usa to stop illegals crossing into England

A moat with sharks and crocs should do it. Maybe hundreds of bastard attack anything wasp nests wouldn't go amiss either, as the exodus will be biblical once the Brexit deal is known.

Oh, you meant the other way?

A guy in a two berth caravan raised up on bricks is all you will need our side. Obviously we had already sold the wheels to contribute to the cost of our £500b deficit before we start selling our children for experiments which kicks in when we reach £700b.

 

[Indaparkside]

A moat with sharks and crocs should do it. Maybe hundreds of bastard attack anything wasp nests wouldn't go amiss either, as the exodus will be biblical once the Brexit deal is known.

Oh, you meant the other way?

A guy in a two berth caravan raised up on bricks is all you will need our side. Obviously we had already sold the wheels to contribute to the cost of our £500b deficit before we start selling our children for experiments which kicks in when we reach £700b.

haha Well put magic going for a lie down now!