Sturgeon wants another referendum

[blueinsa]

Which is why Im pretty certain that Sturgeon wouldnt go for a referendum if she didn't have an eu assurance because she isn't stupid she will know from their own polls staying in the EU is the only thing that will swing votes her way. The only way she can win is by remainers that voted no last time changing to yes. If she does't have that then she won't take the risk of losing a second referendum. My point all day has been she is too astute a politician to make that mistake.
Whether she'll get anything from the EU is a whole other debate.

There is zero and i do mean zero chance of an EU which contains Spain and France accepting a new member that has gained entry through independence for quite obvious reasons.

It just isnt going to happen.

I will say it again. She couldn't give a rats arse about the EU and over 1 Million Scots and a third of SNP voters dont either.

Its a political stick with which she can try to leverage a 2nd indy ref with, nothing more, nothing less and rightly so May isnt falling for it.

 

[i kne albert davy]

bigotry? the snp is purely trying to protect scotlands interests, something theresa may couldnt care less about. Great Britain? dont make me laugh, all westminster is bothered about is england

I'm not saying Scotland's had the fairest crack of the whip but compared to the North and North East of England she's not done that badly, a lot of Royal Navy ship building contracts which could easily gone to those two areas ended up in Scotland for political reasons, you also receive other benefits subsidised by the UK but not available thoughout the UK. All in all your deals not that bad of course you could try to gain entry to the EU I'm sure the Germany, France, Spain, etc will replace little old England's naval contracts and your subsidies, enjoy your conversion to the Euro best of luck.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

bigotry? the snp is purely trying to protect scotlands interests, something theresa may couldnt care less about. Great Britain? dont make me laugh, all westminster is bothered about is england

If you said London you may have had a point but the truth is the north of england gets the square route of fuck all from Westminster because it goes to London and whinging Scots. The truth on stats is that it is the north of England that is short changed on representation and finances in the uk.

We trigger article 50 and the little poison dwarf and that bloke in Westminster with a comb over are all over the news. I could not give a shit what they say. They should be banned from the news thread in England , they are on tv more than ant and Dec . It's an absolute joke. Article 50 triggered a momentous day turn the news on and it's the midget moaning about the 1.5 million people she represents.

We had a vote yesterday in my house and decided we want a million pounds from the uk govt, guess what we can't have that either , like you can't have a referendum ( never mind win one) . Carry on moaning and it will be the case that Scotland really will be independent because the eu don't want you and neither will the uk.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Scotland voted to stay in the U.K. With all that entailed.
The Uk voted to leave the EU.

Those are the facts and all the bollocks that the SNP talk about the will of the Scottish people is bollocks. They needed the loony fucking greens to carry that one.

We have strong devolved powers through a Scottish parliament and brexit will provide more. Other Regions of the Uk would kill to have a fraction of these powers. Theresa May is playing this absolutely correctly. By the time Scotland gets indyref2 it will be crystal clear just how dillusional the whole independence argument is.

 

[Ban-jani]

bigotry? the snp is purely trying to protect scotlands interests, something theresa may couldnt care less about. Great Britain? dont make me laugh, all westminster is bothered about is england

Yes bigotry, the SNP's support is built on Scottish hatred to the English.

Your post shows the level of propaganda half of you fall for. You're better off in Scotland than you are in many areas of England.

You have better access to healthcare than a lot and you still don't pay tuition fees for example. I ask you to give me one example of a benefit England gets that you cannot get in Scotland.

Nicola Sturgeon is a deluded ego maniac who cannot see that Europe doesn't want her and her bunch. If you follow her then you're an even bigger idiot.

 

[Ban-jani]

@mancityscot You've had a ton of very good points put to you to counter what you've said... Are you going to answer them?

 

[blueparrot]

Yes bigotry, the SNP's support is built on Scottish hatred to the English.

Your post shows the level of propaganda half of you fall for. You're better off in Scotland than you are in many areas of England.

You have better access to healthcare than a lot and you still don't pay tuition fees for example. I ask you to give me one example of a benefit England gets that you cannot get in Scotland.

Nicola Sturgeon is a deluded ego maniac who cannot see that Europe doesn't want her and her bunch. If you follow her then you're an even bigger idiot.

SNP has lots of english voters, I've been one recently I have quite a few Scottish freinds that vote SNP. Do some bigots vote SNP , no doubt, many bigots will vote for all the parties is their support built on bigotry no in my experience.

 

[Ban-jani]

SNP has lots of english voters, I've been one recently I have quite a few Scottish freinds that vote SNP. Do some bigots vote SNP , no doubt, many bigots will vote for all the parties is their support built on bigotry no in my experience.

Do you have any statistics to back that up?

I'm not saying all SNP voters hate the English but that's the basis and starting point of the whole political persuasion. Salmond and Sturgeon almost certainly hate England and the English.

I've never hated a domestic political leader more than those two utter cunts.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

If you said London you may have had a point but the truth is the north of england gets the square route of fuck all from Westminster because it goes to London and whinging Scots. The truth on stats is that it is the north of England that is short changed on representation and finances in the uk.

We trigger article 50 and the little poison dwarf and that bloke in Westminster with a comb over are all over the news. I could not give a shit what they say. They should be banned from the news thread in England , they are on tv more than ant and Dec . It's an absolute joke. Article 50 triggered a momentous day turn the news on and it's the midget moaning about the 1.5 million people she represents.

We had a vote yesterday in my house and decided we want a million pounds from the uk govt, guess what we can't have that either , like you can't have a referendum ( never mind win one) . Carry on moaning and it will be the case that Scotland really will be independent because the eu don't want you and neither will the uk.

Great post.

Northern powerhouse my arse.

 

[Magicpole]

Finland (a socialist state) also has one of the highest suicide rates in Western Europe

Are you suggesting socialism is the cause? I hope not.

 

[Magicpole]

If that stupid woman in charge north of the border gets her way and they have a second referendum, the result will depend on turnout.

Judging by the crowd at the last Hampden International, turnout is not what the Scots do.

Really? Where are you getting that view of turnout apart from straight out your arse?

85% turnout in Ref

76% in GE

Do yourself a favour. When you get a thought straight from your arse, before you commit it to the written word, check out if it stands up to the facts and evidence.

Otherwise any point you make looks daft, especially when it bears no relation to actual reality.

 

[Ban-jani]

Are you suggesting socialism is the cause? I hope not.

It doesn't help but without being an expert in Icelandic psychology, I'm guessing the darkness there is a major cause.

 

[blueparrot]

Do you have any statistics to back that up?

I'm not saying all SNP voters hate the English but that's the basis and starting point of the whole political persuasion. Salmond and Sturgeon almost certainly hate England and the English.

I've never hated a domestic political leader more than those two utter cunts.

No stats but people I know that vote SNP, that are English and against independence, because they see them as the best party to govern Scotland for whatever reasons. I did have a quick look for figures though couldn't find anything but found this.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...andidates-down-south-poll-finds-10168265.html
Lived here for 20 years never felt hated by anybody and not by our local SNP Mp. His starting point is he wants to see an independent stand alone Scotland including all who live here where they have come from. They actually want an increase in immigration from the UK and beyond.
He's well aware I voted no last time and hasn't a problem with it.
Don't get why people get so angry about a political party being honest in campaigning for what it says on the tin. We're all free to vote for them or not.

 

[Magicpole]

If you said London you may have had a point but the truth is the north of england gets the square route of fuck all from Westminster because it goes to London and whinging Scots.[/B] The truth on stats is that it is the north of England that is short changed on representation and finances in the uk.

We trigger article 50 and the little poison dwarf and that bloke in Westminster with a comb over are all over the news. I could not give a shit what they say. They should be banned from the news thread in England , they are on tv more than ant and Dec . It's an absolute joke. Article 50 triggered a momentous day turn the news on and it's the midget moaning about the 1.5 million people she represents.

We had a vote yesterday in my house and decided we want a million pounds from the uk govt, guess what we can't have that either , like you can't have a referendum ( never mind win one) . Carry on moaning and it will be the case that Scotland really will be independent because the eu don't want you and neither will the uk.

And whose fault is that?

You are stating you get the square root of fuck all from Westminster. Probably true, the question of why that happens might be an area your angst should be directed to.

You might as a region think it's right and to take it up the arse without a fight, we don't.

If you are having such a shit deal why don't you get off your knees and fight? To criticise us for taking them on is laughable.

We might not win, but at least we fight. Your area will continue to be shafted until the anger spouted on here about how badly you are treated turns into action.

Nobody at Westminster is going to give you additional power unless you fight for it.

Don't blame us for fighting for what we believe.

Fighting and losing is still better than taking it up the arse.

Until the day you stand up and start throwing punches you will continue to be looked over.

We have powers now that nobody wanted to give us because we fought.

You should try it instead of just moaning about how terrible you are treated. Take the cunts on.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Do you have any statistics to back that up?

I'm not saying all SNP voters hate the English but that's the basis and starting point of the whole political persuasion. Salmond and Sturgeon almost certainly hate England and the English.

I've never hated a domestic political leader more than those two utter cunts.

I was at Portsoy Boat Festival up on the NE coast a number of years ago, and Salmond was there doing some Civic duty (kissing babies probably). I couldn't believe the look of utter disdain he gave me when he heard my kids English accents. It was the look of someone who'd just stood in cat shit whilst wearing open toe'd sandals. I though I was imagining it at first, but my mate (who is Scottish incidentally) noticed it too, and he was shocked.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

And whose fault is that?

You are stating you get the square root of fuck all from Westminster. Probably true, the question of why that happens might be an area your angst should be directed to.

You might as a region think it's right and to take it up the arse without a fight, we don't.

If you are having such a shit deal why don't you get off your knees and fight? To criticise us for taking them on is laughable.

We might not win, but at least we fight. Your area will continue to be shafted until the anger spouted on here about how badly you are treated turns into action.

Nobody at Westminster is going to give you additional power unless you fight for it.

Don't blame us for fighting for what we believe.

Fighting and losing is still better than taking it up the arse.

Until the day you stand up and start throwing punches you will continue to be looked over.

We have powers now that nobody wanted to give us because we fought.

You should try it instead of just moaning about how terrible you are treated. Take the cunts on.

Thanks, inspiring.

 

[Ban-jani]

No stats but people I know that vote SNP, that are English and against independence, because they see them as the best party to govern Scotland for whatever reasons. I did have a quick look for figures though couldn't find anything but found this.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...andidates-down-south-poll-finds-10168265.html
Lived here for 20 years never felt hated by anybody and not by our local SNP Mp. His starting point is he wants to see an independent stand alone Scotland including all who live here where they have come from. They actually want an increase in immigration from the UK and beyond.
He's well aware I voted no last time and hasn't a problem with it.
Don't get why people get so angry about a political party being honest in campaigning for what it says on the tin. We're all free to vote for them or not.

So "lots of English voters" has turned into a few of your mates?

By the way if you want to use a credible source on anything, the Independent isn't a reliable one, they lie more than any paper in the UK. But let's just look at that article, after all there's a Yougov poll which means it's all correct!

The poll puts Labour far too close to the Tories than they actually are now and the SNP behind UKIP, but says "roughly the same as UKIP".

It's also two years old and a year after the 1st referendum had taken place. A lot has changed since then and the left wing English people who said they'd vote SNP may have had a change of heart since the latest calls for a referendum and Brexit AND the way the SNP are behaving. The country and situation has changed drastically and hatred for the SNP has spiked recently.

The article doesn't state how many people and in which regions either. You'll get far more people likely to admire the SNP in Manchester than Kent for example so I wouldn't take that out of date, inaccurate article as gospel. Plus the Lib Dems are dead, they're a laughing stock.

The Yougov poll could have been 50 people for all we know.

Obviously people have different experiences in Scotland but when I was in Edinburgh in September I was gobsmacked at the English negativity. Kel Brook was fighting and in the huge pub we were in they were cheering the foreign fighter and singing anti English songs.

Obviously it's nowhere near all Scotland but it's a very vocal minority, just like the referendum.

Believe me, the SNP have pushed a lot of buttons south of the border. It's a disgrace that a party of 1 million in a 60 million people country are getting so much airtime.

 

[Damocles]

And whose fault is that?

You are stating you get the square root of fuck all from Westminster. Probably true, the question of why that happens might be an area your angst should be directed to.

You might as a region think it's right and to take it up the arse without a fight, we don't.

If you are having such a shit deal why don't you get off your knees and fight? To criticise us for taking them on is laughable.

We might not win, but at least we fight. Your area will continue to be shafted until the anger spouted on here about how badly you are treated turns into action.

Nobody at Westminster is going to give you additional power unless you fight for it.

Don't blame us for fighting for what we believe.

Fighting and losing is still better than taking it up the arse.

Until the day you stand up and start throwing punches you will continue to be looked over.

We have powers now that nobody wanted to give us because we fought.

You should try it instead of just moaning about how terrible you are treated. Take the cunts on.

You have powers because a Labour Government wanted to secure your vote long term and didn't anticipate the Scots would sell them out to the SNP.

Take your William Wallace crap and shove it right up the fantasy arsehole you seem to be spouting from.

You've fought for nothing. You will get nothing from the Government because they no longer have a reason to give it to you. You were a pawn in a game and now you no longer have any strategic advantage to either side so you'll sit there and be told "now is not the time" for the next 100 years while you continue to live in your fantasy world about how heroic you are all.

Your "referendum", as much as you bleat on about it, was the result of a power brokerage in Westminster and nothing else. You have little to no power, little to no say and little to no impact. You're the same barbarians at the gates you've been for a thousand years and you'll still be shouting for freedom when the English patronisingly smile at you, pat you on the head and say "yeah, soon lads". Theresa May embarrassed your entire party in Parliament the other day, literally bouncing non-answers to them for an hour while they sat there in London becoming enraged, as their complete impotence began to increasingly dawn on them.

You march to our drum and you will do so until it's politically advantageous for us to change that. You might think yourselves an Ace in the hole that is more valuable than the other "cards" and that's probably true. But we're the ones playing the cards. And there's nothing you can do about it, nothing that all of your yellow band of MPs nor your puppet Parliament we graciously allowed you to entertain yourselves with, nothing that all of the Twitter polls in the world will do to change your position.

You talk about how you "fight to not get shafted". You're not even allowed to vote on your own policies unless we tell you it's ok. Your entire nationalist movement is quite frankly a joke, something to keep you busy and feel like you're achieving something while the real power in Westminster continues to operate. Scottish devolution is a rattle and just because the baby shakes it a lot and makes a lot of noise doesn't mean it gets ice cream for dinner.

 

[Magicpole]

You have powers because a Labour Government wanted to secure your vote long term and didn't anticipate the Scots would sell them out to the SNP.

Take your William Wallace crap and shove it right up the fantasy arsehole you seem to be spouting from.

You've fought for nothing. You will get nothing from the Government because they no longer have a reason to give it to you. You were a pawn in a game and now you no longer have any strategic advantage to either side so you'll sit there and be told "now is not the time" for the next 100 years while you continue to live in your fantasy world about how heroic you are all.

Your "referendum", as much as you bleat on about it, was the result of a power brokerage in Westminster and nothing else. You have little to no power, little to no say and little to no impact. You're the same barbarians at the gates you've been for a thousand years and you'll still be shouting for freedom when the English patronisingly smile at you, pat you on the head and say "yeah, soon lads". Theresa May embarrassed your entire party in Parliament the other day, literally bouncing non-answers to them for an hour while they sat there in London becoming enraged, as their complete impotence began to increasingly dawn on them.

You march to our drum and you will do so until it's politically advantageous for us to change that. You might think yourselves an Ace in the hole that is more valuable than the other "cards" and that's probably true. But we're the ones playing the cards. And there's nothing you can do about it, nothing that all of your yellow band of MPs nor your puppet Parliament we graciously allowed you to entertain yourselves with, nothing that all of the Twitter polls in the world will do to change your position.

You talk about how you "fight to not get shafted". You're not even allowed to vote on your own policies unless we tell you it's ok. Your entire nationalist movement is quite frankly a joke, something to keep you busy and feel like you're achieving something while the real power in Westminster continues to operate. Scottish devolution is a rattle and just because the baby shakes it a lot and makes a lot of noise doesn't mean it gets ice cream for dinner.

If we have no power. If everything we do is done under your control then what the fuck are you complaining about us for?

Under your horseshit assessment it's all down to you.

Make your fucking mind up.

As for fantasy? Take a read of the shite you spout about Trump.

So the concessions Pig Fucker made were due entirely to goodwill and he would have done it anyway?

Dream on.

What odds are you giving Trumps two terms btw? Fantasy? Boom!

 

[Ban-jani]

I was at Portsoy Boat Festival up on the NE coast a number of years ago, and Salmond was there doing some Civic duty (kissing babies probably). I couldn't believe the look of utter disdain he gave me when he heard my kids English accents. It was the look of someone who'd just stood in cat shit whilst wearing open toe'd sandals. I though I was imagining it at first, but my mate (who is Scottish incidentally) noticed it too, and he was shocked.

It's shocking. It's the great British bigotry that gets left unsaid. The fact it's children as well shows him to be what he really is- the fat fucking ****