Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[cibaman]

Won't happen because free movement of people will have to occur.

We voted to come completely out of everything EU related, not a half in/half out job.

You must have had a different ballot paper to me. Or are Norway in the EU?

 

[The perfect fumble]

They are right it was a stupid question. It should have been 'Should Britain be a subordinate to a supreme government for Europe'

And that attitude is another reason why remainers remain.

 

[cadds92]

You must have had a different ballot paper to me. Or are Norway in the EU?

Not strictly, but being in the EEA they are bound to the 4 freedoms principle the EU has everybody bound by in complete membership.

A lot of if not most Brexiteers would seriously question the government if we carried on with the free movement of people, it was one of the bedrocks of the Leave campaign.

 

[blueinsa]

If you want to give up the will to live then read this...

Now Labour must heal the wounds of Brexit – and salvage a fairer future

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...heal-wounds-of-brexit-ed-miliband-hilary-benn

The only thing to commend this tosh is this post in the comments section....

• “All of us who care about a progressive future for Britain must not let the future be decided between the right and extreme right.”

And yet that is precisely what you did.

The referendum posed a stupid question “Do you wish to leave the EU?” – stupid because, wrapped up in that ostensibly simple formula, there were a whole host of nuanced propositions, the response to which depended on the level of knowledge, understanding and concern that few in this country have. Individual voters, forced to answer with a single cross, had to make a subjective guess as to what the question meant when the only intelligent response to the question was “what do you mean by leave the EU?” but there was no box for that. The “debate” that preceded the vote, so far from clarifying what the question was meant to mean became a circus of lies, distortions, prevarications and misrepresentations aimed at polarising and weaponising people’s legitimate but mostly unfocused concerns.

This very article acknowledges that when you say –

“We heard repeatedly from people who voted Leave because of a deep sense that the country wasn’t working for them, and that politics hadn’t been providing good enough answers for a long time.”

In short, to many, it was a protest vote aimed mostly at the wrong target. They had been blatantly lied to for years, the EU used as a scapegoat for UK politicians’ feckless incompetence, their frustration – properly belonging at Westminster’s door - used against them by a corrupt and owned media and a handful of morally bankrupt carpetbaggers.

This stupid question thus received an answer so objectively incoherent that it could only be of value to those who wished to use it disreputably to justify their vested interests. To paraphrase Humpty Dumpty, the result meant what they wanted it to mean, neither more nor less. The question was who was to be master. And the only answer of which we could be sure was it wasn’t us, the poor hapless citizens of the UK. We’re just the cannon-fodder.

It is understandable why the dishonest, the disreputable and the dysfunctional on the right of our politics made the result mean what they wanted it to mean. It is beyond understanding why Labour MPs – people like you who, from your lofty heights, prattle condescendingly about listening to the people and being their protector - were so determined to go along with their abuse of the democratic ideal and process. As MPs, you were duty bound to serve the national interest. Each of you. Yet under the command of a leader whose authority you do not even respect, you set aside your duty to the nation, set aside your judgment, set aside your consciences and walked again and again into the lobby with the Tories knowing that you were indulging in a fraud on reason and democracy. It is beyond understanding. It is beyond decency.

Maybe when you have found the decency to apologise and atone, I will be able to recover some respect for you and your party. Given the self-regarding arrogance of this article, I am not expecting any time soon. You, each of you, sold this country out. You sold our children out. And with it you gave up your right to be listened to as you now purr your weasel words of reconciliation. Appease your own consciences if you can. You have lost my trust. You have lost my respect. I cannot and will not hear you lecture me on how to heal the body that you so cynically helped to mug.
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That is why remainers remain remainers.

.....and the Guardian is the Guardian lol

 

[smudgedj]

And that attitude is another reason why remainers remain.

Paradise awaits.

 

[hgblue]

And that attitude is another reason why remainers remain.

You lot are starting to resemble the Japanese soldiers still fighting on years after the war was over. Or King Canute. Quite sad really

 

[Xiphos]

You lot are starting to resemble the Japanese soldiers still fighting on years after the war was over. Or King Canute. Quite sad really

Has that super rich snowflake Lily Allen taken her money out of the bank and fucked off to live in her utopia on the continent yet? No, thought not

 

[Len Rum]

Following on from an earlier post by cibaman , an open question to all Brexiters on the thread.
If the Government had chosen to exit the EU by going for a 'Norway style' deal , would you have supported the Government?
If not ,why not and would failing to support your Government been an unpatriotic act?
Answers on a postcard please to:
Len Rum
Neasden

 

[sir baconface]

Following on from an earlier post by cibaman , an open question to all Brexiters on the thread.
If the Government had chosen to exit the EU by going for a 'Norway style' deal , would you have supported the Government?
If not ,why not and would failing to support your Government been an unpatriotic act?
Answers on a postcard please to:
Len Rum
Neasden

No.

 

[purplenose]

Following on from an earlier post by cibaman , an open question to all Brexiters on the thread.
If the Government had chosen to exit the EU by going for a 'Norway style' deal , would you have supported the Government?
If not ,why not and would failing to support your Government been an unpatriotic act?
Answers on a postcard please to:
Len Rum
Neasden

No I would not support the government on that. I feel we need to be in or out clear and simple not some halfway house. My vote was a resounding leave, but had the result been different would have accepted it and taken the view that we should be an integral part of the EU and that would include adhering to all of its rules. Again no half measures its only fair on all that we are either a member of the EU fully committed or not a member totally independent and in no way answerable to the EU.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Following on from an earlier post by cibaman , an open question to all Brexiters on the thread.
If the Government had chosen to exit the EU by going for a 'Norway style' deal , would you have supported the Government?
If not ,why not and would failing to support your Government been an unpatriotic act?
Answers on a postcard please to:
Len Rum
Neasden

no

 

[blueinsa]

Following on from an earlier post by cibaman , an open question to all Brexiters on the thread.
If the Government had chosen to exit the EU by going for a 'Norway style' deal , would you have supported the Government?
If not ,why not and would failing to support your Government been an unpatriotic act?
Answers on a postcard please to:
Len Rum
Neasden

If my auntie had balls she would be my uncle.......if if if.

Question was very easy, stay or leave and the country voted to leave.

As for brexiteers on the thread? We are all brexiteers now Len, every single one of us so jump aboard the good ship Britannia as we sail away from the wreck that is the EU back to our own calm waters and fuck it, you can even do a spot of fishing ;-)

Yours in service
Daz
Bonny Scotland (forever a part of the United Kingdom)

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Has that super rich snowflake Lily Allen taken her money out of the bank and fucked off to live in her utopia on the continent yet? No, thought not

Love her music, but she really needs her bottom spanking, does that Madam.

 

[Xiphos]

Greece is about to stick the begging bowl out again for it's 3rd multi billion bail out, word is the EU will not be as generous this time due to Brexit, can see choppy times ahead for that leaking old rust bucket good ship EU, next 10 years it will be going down beneath the waves

 

[cibaman]

Not strictly, but being in the EEA they are bound to the 4 freedoms principle the EU has everybody bound by in complete membership.

A lot of if not most Brexiteers would seriously question the government if we carried on with the free movement of people, it was one of the bedrocks of the Leave campaign.

There were a few bedrocks to the Leave campaign

 

[Len Rum]

If my auntie had balls she would be my uncle.......if if if.

Question was very easy, stay or leave and the country voted to leave.

As for brexiteers on the thread? We are all brexiteers now Len, every single one of us so jump aboard the good ship Britannia as we sail away from the wreck that is the EU back to our own calm waters and fuck it, you can even do a spot of fishing ;-)

Yours in service
Daz
Bonny Scotland (forever a part of the United Kingdom)

Thanks for not replying to my post
Yours
Leonard
PS The Norway style option in fact meets the criteria of leaving the EU.

 

[hgblue]

There were a few bedrocks to the Leave campaign

So freedom of movement stays?

 

[The perfect fumble]

Thank for not replying to my post
Yours
Leonard
PS The Norway style option in fact meets the criteria of leaving the EU.

Yes, but it doesn't have the requisite lost jobs, depressed living standards and jingoistic bullshit to satisfy a red, white and blue Brexit.

 

[Len Rum]

no

Thank you for your reply to my post.
This demonstrates that there are Brexiters like yourself who would not have supported a Government which chose an exit scenario they did not find acceptable and yet would not have considered their lack of support unpatriotic.
This is of course is the situation many Remainers now find themselves in and by the same token do not consider their non support of the Government as a lack of patriotism.
Thanks once again.

 

[sir baconface]

Thank you for your reply to my post.
This demonstrates that there are Brexiters like yourself who would not have supported a Government which chose an exit scenario they did not find acceptable and yet would not have considered their lack of support unpatriotic.
This is of course is the situation many Remainers now find themselves in and by the same token do not consider their non support of the Government as a lack of patriotism.
Thanks once again.

Can you repeat in English?